Morally superior rapist - Rape Board

menace · 10-02-2008, 01:09 PM

I was wondering, does it ever come up in your fantasies a situation where the rapist can claim to be on moral highground? What I mean is, if it weren't for the actual rape, the rapist would definitely look like the good guy compared to the victim. For example, a cop against a drug dealer, boyfriend against his cheating whore girlfiend etc.

Is it better for you knowing she/you had it comming?

caitlin1989 · 10-02-2008, 01:16 PM

Rape, also referred to as sexual assault, is an assault by a person involving sexual intercourse with or sexual penetration of another person without that person's consent.

how in heaven do you think that a rapist can have a moral high ground? are you actually asking for a "good reason" to commit rape? think about what you are saying - in no way, you can have a moral high ground for rape, or it wouldn't have been called rape, but something else.

menace · 10-02-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by caitlin1989

Rape, also referred to as sexual assault, is an assault by a person involving sexual intercourse with or sexual penetration of another person without that person's consent.

how in heaven do you think that a rapist can have a moral high ground? are you actually asking for a "good reason" to commit rape? think about what you are saying - in no way, you can have a moral high ground for rape, or it wouldn't have been called rape, but something else.

And you please read my post before answering!

I clearly said:

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if it weren't for the actual rape, the rapist would definitely look like the good guy compared to the victim

So this is about the victim being such a lowlife that you could calmly say she deserves everything she gets. And what she gets is rape.

somedude · 10-02-2008, 02:40 PM

Yes Menace is asking if anyone has the fantasy of the rapist being respectable and the victim being not so respectable! Kinda a reverse of the old respectable victim and lowlife thug fantasy...

theDarkOne · 10-02-2008, 02:47 PM

I understand what your trying to say but its still kinda flawed.
I mean if you found out someone was a serial killer and you then killed them to stop them.You would still be committing murder.Your action is still what it is no matter what ground you stand on compared to your victim.

Just my thoughts on it..

Have you ever watched DEXTER?Its a good show!

somedude · 10-02-2008, 02:53 PM

Good gravy! Menace isn't asking for moral judgement of real situations...he's asking if anyone has rape fantasies involving a respectable rapist and a not so respectable victim and now I'll answer.
Yes Menace I have had these fantasies...the girl caught stealing and the respectable man who catchers her blackmails her into sex or rapes her as punishment is one I've had a few times!

caitlin1989 · 10-02-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by theDarkOne

I understand what your trying to say but its still kinda flawed.
I mean if you found out someone was a serial killer and you then killed them to stop them.You would still be committing murder.Your action is still what it is no matter what ground you stand on compared to your victim.

Just my thoughts on it..

Have you ever watched DEXTER?Its a good show!

haha, Dexter came to mind when you said that, and I do see dexter as a "good" guy, but haven't thought about it for real, because it's a show, so i know nothing there is real, it's not the same

theDarkOne · 10-02-2008, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by somedude

Good gravy! Menace isn't asking for moral judgement of real situations...he's asking if anyone has rape fantasies involving a respectable rapist and a not so respectable victim and now I'll answer.
Yes Menace I have had these fantasies...the girl caught stealing and the respectable man who catchers her blackmails her into sex or rapes her as punishment is one I've had a few times!

Sorry you don't like my answer SomeDude.I understood the question.I can read and comprehend.I just gave my opinion.How i felt.

tatech · 10-02-2008, 03:00 PM

The rapeman IS a morally superior rapist.Sorta.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rapeman

menace · 10-02-2008, 04:46 PM

OK, did I really have to write

"Morally superior" rapist

in the title?

Just what the hell happened to this place while I was away?

touriquet2001 · 10-02-2008, 05:29 PM

i have role played along those lines by IM . i was a cop , pulled the victim over for drunk driving . found drugs in the car also and made her submit to my will or be took to jail . cops word against a drunk an druggie and all that

Sternenlied · 10-02-2008, 06:05 PM

Don't worry about it, menace ... compartmentalization is something most people are incapable of, unfortunately.
I don't see a problem with your question since it's actually a subject many stories (movies, tv-shows, novels, etc.) deal with. The ones normally being "the good guys" suddenly turn out to be scumbags actually.
Don't let yourself be bothered by people simple unable to comprehend your hypothetical scenario.

Well ... since I generally use the woman's (and thus the victim's perspective) and since I met enough rapists I don't usually put the rapists I use on the moral high ground - until they commit the actual rape - but I can imagine your scenario making an intriguing turn of events.

Sternenlied · 10-02-2008, 06:38 PM

I don't have any problem with people arguing menace' choice of words might have been not the most practical one.
I still expect people however to - something you seem to be capable of as opposed to several others - understand what he was saying before critizing his subject.

ChiTownHoney · 10-02-2008, 08:01 PM

Yes I have those fantasies where I am nothing but a whore and although I am raped, I have no control because I got what I deserved. Or I did something very bad and someone was using it as blackmail to rape me. Those kind of fantasies are nice because I cant just go the the police and cry rape because I am not all that innocent.

theDarkOne · 10-02-2008, 08:43 PM

Well i guess im just to stupid to understand.

He asked a question,one that was all over the place,and i gave my answer.Im sick of people asking something and then not liking the response they get.

Im not sure if you were talking about me Sternenlied but your very condescending.I understand you have a high status on this board and i have enjoyed reading some of the things you have posted but do you have to talk down to people like that?I don't get it.

The original question was not a very clear one and i gave my thoughts on it.

Mugga123 · 10-02-2008, 09:49 PM

What about a really good doctor who saves heaps of lives (and is famous for it), but also rapes his/her patients, whom are too scared to say anything, because they need his/her skills.

Mugga123 · 10-02-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sternenlied

Well ... since I generally use the woman's (and thus the victim's perspective)

Hey Stern? If I remember correctly you're a psychologist yeah? Do you ever deal with male victims? I don't mean M-M i mean F-M victims.

menace · 10-03-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTownHoney

Yes I have those fantasies where I am nothing but a whore and although I am raped, I have no control because I got what I deserved. Or I did something very bad and someone was using it as blackmail to rape me. Those kind of fantasies are nice because I cant just go the the police and cry rape because I am not all that innocent.

Yes, this is what I meant! Someone understood after all.

I know my wording was not that great, but I think I elaborated sufficiently so that my point comes across. I guess it wasn't enough

touriquet2001 · 10-03-2008, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by menace

And you please read my post before answering!

I clearly said:

So this is about the victim being such a lowlife that you could calmly say she deserves everything she gets. And what she gets is rape.

i think you highlighted the wrong part of the original post

Quote:

Originally Posted by menace

I was wondering, does it ever come up in your fantasies a situation where the rapist can claim to be on moral highground? What I mean is, if it weren't for the actual rape, the rapist would definitely look like the good guy compared to the victim. For example, a cop against a drug dealer, boyfriend against his cheating whore girlfiend etc.

Is it better for you knowing she/you had it comming?

as i stated some of the women i role play with like the idea (i also like it) that they are doing something wrong and have no way of getting out of it . no recourse to take , so to speak .

a cop , a lawyer or even a doctor and so on ... all respected by the community against a lonely scared woman that has done something to be blackmailed (punished) with .

MARADONA · 10-03-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by somedude

Good gravy! Menace isn't asking for moral judgement of real situations...he's asking if anyone has rape fantasies involving a respectable rapist and a not so respectable victim and now I'll answer.
Yes Menace I have had these fantasies...the girl caught stealing and the respectable man who catchers her blackmails her into sex or rapes her as punishment is one I've had a few times!

I have a fantasy close to this one...
i'm in a sort of supermarket and i cought a girl stealing something like a parfum or a small jewel...
she reconize her mistake looking at me...but it's too late...beh i guess you guys can immagine the rest...

beh i thought this kind of fantasy wasn't so commun...but i was wrong...

10-02-2008, 01:09 PM	#1
menace Privileged Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Who knows? Posts: 2,436 Reputation: 26964	Morally superior rapist I was wondering, does it ever come up in your fantasies a situation where the rapist can claim to be on moral highground? What I mean is, if it weren't for the actual rape, the rapist would definitely look like the good guy compared to the victim. For example, a cop against a drug dealer, boyfriend against his cheating whore girlfiend etc. Is it better for you knowing she/you had it comming? __________________ Try and stop me

10-02-2008, 02:40 PM	#4
somedude W.I.R. and Marshal Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Way out West!!!! Posts: 8,566 Reputation: 124981	Yes Menace is asking if anyone has the fantasy of the rapist being respectable and the victim being not so respectable! Kinda a reverse of the old respectable victim and lowlife thug fantasy... __________________ I'm a pervert and proud of it!

10-02-2008, 02:47 PM	#5
theDarkOne Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Never gonna give you up,Never gonna let you down,Never gonna run around and desert you. Posts: 1,693 Reputation: 57368	I understand what your trying to say but its still kinda flawed. I mean if you found out someone was a serial killer and you then killed them to stop them.You would still be committing murder.Your action is still what it is no matter what ground you stand on compared to your victim. Just my thoughts on it.. Have you ever watched DEXTER?Its a good show! Last edited by theDarkOne; 10-02-2008 at 02:51 PM.

10-02-2008, 02:53 PM	#6
somedude W.I.R. and Marshal Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Way out West!!!! Posts: 8,566 Reputation: 124981	Good gravy! Menace isn't asking for moral judgement of real situations...he's asking if anyone has rape fantasies involving a respectable rapist and a not so respectable victim and now I'll answer. Yes Menace I have had these fantasies...the girl caught stealing and the respectable man who catchers her blackmails her into sex or rapes her as punishment is one I've had a few times! __________________ I'm a pervert and proud of it!

10-02-2008, 03:00 PM	#9
tatech Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The House of Payne Posts: 22 Reputation: 76	The rapeman IS a morally superior rapist.Sorta. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rapeman __________________ You got a dick. You do have a dick, don't you? Okay, the dick lines up straight like that right? To the right of it and to the left of it are pockets, right? In those pockets are money. Look in either one of 'em, pay the bill

10-02-2008, 01:16 PM	#2
caitlin1989 Privileged Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 373 Reputation: 2487	Rape, also referred to as sexual assault, is an assault by a person involving sexual intercourse with or sexual penetration of another person without that person's consent. how in heaven do you think that a rapist can have a moral high ground? are you actually asking for a "good reason" to commit rape? think about what you are saying - in no way, you can have a moral high ground for rape, or it wouldn't have been called rape, but something else.

10-02-2008, 04:46 PM	#10
menace Privileged Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Who knows? Posts: 2,436 Reputation: 26964	OK, did I really have to write "Morally superior" rapist in the title? Just what the hell happened to this place while I was away? __________________ Try and stop me

10-02-2008, 05:29 PM	#11
touriquet2001 please delete Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,805 Reputation: 35886	i have role played along those lines by IM . i was a cop , pulled the victim over for drunk driving . found drugs in the car also and made her submit to my will or be took to jail . cops word against a drunk an druggie and all that

10-02-2008, 06:05 PM	#12
Sternenlied Unknown Entity Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Niflheim Posts: 2,427 Reputation: 77819	Don't worry about it, menace ... compartmentalization is something most people are incapable of, unfortunately. I don't see a problem with your question since it's actually a subject many stories (movies, tv-shows, novels, etc.) deal with. The ones normally being "the good guys" suddenly turn out to be scumbags actually. Don't let yourself be bothered by people simple unable to comprehend your hypothetical scenario. Well ... since I generally use the woman's (and thus the victim's perspective) and since I met enough rapists I don't usually put the rapists I use on the moral high ground - until they commit the actual rape - but I can imagine your scenario making an intriguing turn of events. __________________ The Life and Death of Sam Crow - How the Sons of Anarchy lost their way

10-02-2008, 06:38 PM	#13
Sternenlied Unknown Entity Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Niflheim Posts: 2,427 Reputation: 77819	I don't have any problem with people arguing menace' choice of words might have been not the most practical one. I still expect people however to - something you seem to be capable of as opposed to several others - understand what he was saying before critizing his subject. __________________ The Life and Death of Sam Crow - How the Sons of Anarchy lost their way

10-02-2008, 08:01 PM	#14
ChiTownHoney Pa'l Mundo Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: ObamaNation Posts: 2,460 Reputation: 33436	Yes I have those fantasies where I am nothing but a whore and although I am raped, I have no control because I got what I deserved. Or I did something very bad and someone was using it as blackmail to rape me. Those kind of fantasies are nice because I cant just go the the police and cry rape because I am not all that innocent.

10-02-2008, 08:43 PM	#15
theDarkOne Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Never gonna give you up,Never gonna let you down,Never gonna run around and desert you. Posts: 1,693 Reputation: 57368	Well i guess im just to stupid to understand. He asked a question,one that was all over the place,and i gave my answer.Im sick of people asking something and then not liking the response they get. Im not sure if you were talking about me Sternenlied but your very condescending.I understand you have a high status on this board and i have enjoyed reading some of the things you have posted but do you have to talk down to people like that?I don't get it. The original question was not a very clear one and i gave my thoughts on it.

10-02-2008, 09:49 PM	#16
Mugga123 Privileged Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 983 Reputation: 22893	What about a really good doctor who saves heaps of lives (and is famous for it), but also rapes his/her patients, whom are too scared to say anything, because they need his/her skills. __________________ It's all fun and games till someone gets raped.