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Old 04-28-2017, 06:46 PM   #61
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one of the reasons bloody Sunday wont go away was it was the parachute regiment that did the shooting, they had already established a reputation for brutality that exceeded the other regiments. The paras were, and are an elite force, trained to a razors edge. they are not policemen, peace keepers, or social workers. The paras were trained to kill people and break things, they should never have been deployed in a role like that. This was a serious failure in judgement by the British government.

Bloody Sunday was the reason the IRA targeted them in the Narrow Water ambush. In the IRA's single most successful military operation 18 British soldiers, 16 of them of them of the Parachute regiment were killed at the border by Newry.

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In modern context, the regiment involved is probably not that relevant. As we have seen in this thread, former IRA soldiers are now immune from prosecution as long as they no longer take up arms. In contrast, soldiers serving in Northern Ireland have not been given such guarantees, and there are still calls today for soldiers involved in incidences such as Bloody Sunday to face prosecution.

It seems unlikely at present that this will happen, but time is passing quickly people, as we have seen with the deaths of both McGuinnes, and his erstwhile enemy cum friend, Reverend Ian Paisley. It seems unlikely to me that any former member of the British military would be willing to volunteer information about what they saw or did in Ulster, and we will never get to the bottom of what really happened on Bloody Sunday.

Without parity, and without owning of responsibility from both sides, under the shadow of doubt, and the casting of blame and accusation, can there ever really be a peace in Ulster? Will there simply be a grudge that will fester and can erupt at any time? Say, as Tom has pointed out, over a marching season, or if politician are unable to deal with the interference that the European Union is already running over Britain leaving the organisation?
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It's a very touchy time given the unsettled political situation in ulster itself, with Brexit further muddying the waters. The fear would be widespread rioting rather than a return to a full scale guerrilla war.

Whats calling itself the IRA today doesn't have the arms the organization or the training for it. Aside from a few murders their campaign doesn't rise much above the level of petty vandalism.

There are signs of hope. Arelene Foster visited an Irish language school and actually said thank you to the students in Irish. No doubt Orange lodges across the province are wondering why she didnt spontaneously combust after speaking in the heathen tongue.
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In Northern Ireland's football proxy war, Celtic takes down the Rangers 5-1. Even today wearing the wrong jersey in the wrong neighborhood can get you stomped into a mud puddle.
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Scottish Cup semi final wasn't it? As football rivalries go, the Old Firm as it is known, is probably one of the worlds most intense. Through the years, Rangers have the edge, most wins, most league titles, most cups won, etc. Curiously though, Celtic have won more Scottish Cup ties against Rangers. The last four seasons have given Celtic the chance to catch up a bit though, as Rangers were relegated to the bottom division for financial regularities.

A bit silly really as they just stormed back up again. It may take them a couple of seasons to get back on par with Celtic, but I doubt it will take more than that.
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Is Brexit muddying the waters? Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP seem to think that leaving the European Union is a reason to have another independence referendum. They seem to have confused wishing to remain in the European Union with wanting to leave the United Kingdom. Polling suggests that support for remaining in the UK has actually grown since the EU referendum.

So that's that idea shot down in flames. I haven't seen any such reports concerning Northern Ireland, but don't see how it would be any different. It is an impoverished area of the UK, and receives a lot of money from the EU, so that may have driven the referendum result there. However, Unionists that are the majority, and that voted to remain in the EU aren't suddenly going to become tricolour waving Taigs over night!

The EU has made its position clear. If Ireland unites, it will remain in the EU, just as Germany did. It would be, after all, essentially the same country. Just more territory. However, under the terms of The Good Friday Agreement, for Ireland to unite would require a majority in favour in both the Republic and in Northern Ireland, in two separate referendums. I have not heard of a consensus for that on either side of the border.

More likely, Eire will leave the European Union, and possibly seek some sort of loose political, defence and economic agreement with the United Kingdom. After all, putting aside sectarian differences which were only really exploited by a few, we are all essentially British, with very much in common.
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While Ireland and the UK do have many common interests, the Irish are distinct, with a unique history, culture and even language (little used) of their own

Perhaps Churchill said it best "We have always found the Irish a bit odd, they refuse to be English "
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Any Irish guys I've met in the USA were very proud of their culture and history. Fun to go drinking with too, especially in Irish bars when irish themed bands were playing.
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I've become more interested lately in relearning Irish, even though I have zero use for it it my day to day life. I can mangle my way thru Spanish, but that's something I use in the workplace.

Irish was the first language of my great granmother, and my grand mother spoke a fair bit of it. I don't remember much of it, about all I can manage is good morning, please, thank you and another pint please.

If I get drunk enough I can still belt out the Irish anthem in Irish.
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You could suggest that Scots, Welsh, even Cornish, aren't British on the basis of language. As I have already pointed out, Ireland was only ever united when it was a part of the United Kingdom. There is as much that divides the Irish as there is divides British people in general.

There is much more that unites us. We have a common language. We had, until partition, a common currency. We have only ever had a closed border when the provisional IRA made its imposition an absolute necessity. Eire joined the EU in order to prevent an international border.

Even after the republic went its own way, we remained friends. Ireland was bombed by the Germans, and whilst it remained neutral throughout WWII, many Irish fought on the side of the allies, joining British, US and Canadian regiments in order to do so. Ireland even provided the BBC with trailblazing war correspondents willing to risk life and limb in order to get the news back to Blighty.

Yes, Irish people may be very different from English people, but they are not very different from British people.

I'll quote an Irishman, Ronnie Drew, late of The Dubliners, on the subject of Britishness: "I come from County Kerry, the land of eggs and bacon, if you think I'll eat your fish and chips, oh Jeez, but you're mistaken." Eggs and bacon are a staple of the full English breakfast, and contrary to what a Yorkshireman may tell you, fish and chips were first peddled in Londons East End, by Jews no less, cashing in on the Catholic habit of eating fish on a Friday!
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For all you proud unionists, I would like to wish you a happy 310th birthday on this day. Oh, and here's a jolly little ditty for you all to sing:



Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.

When Britain first, at heaven's command,
Arose from out the azure main,
This was the charter of the land,
And Guardian Angels sang this strain:

(Chorus)

The nations not so blest as thee
Must, in their turn, to tyrants fall,
While thou shalt flourish great and free:
The dread and envy of them all.

(Chorus)

Still more majestic shalt thou rise,
More dreadful from each foreign stroke,
As the loud blast that tears the skies
Serves but to root thy native oak.

(Chorus)

Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame;
All their attempts to bend thee down
Will but arouse thy generous flame,
But work their woe and thy renown.

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To thee belongs the rural reign;
Thy cities shall with commerce shine;
All thine shall be the subject main,
And every shore it circles, thine.

(Chorus)

The Muses, still with freedom found,
Shall to thy happy coasts repair.
Blest isle! with matchless beauty crowned,
And manly hearts to guard the fair.

(Chorus)
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.


A pity a tiny corner of our islands has chosen to surrender itself to foreign tyrants.
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Your rosy view of the UK as one big happy family doesn't quite square with history. Ireland, Scotland, and Wales were forcibly absorbed by miltary force. Ireland was never really settled, averaging an armed revolt every generation for hundreds of years. The Scotts are flirting with leaving, and there is still some separatist sentiment in Wales.

It might be interesting to see the what happens in northern Ireland if Scotland does bolt. The ethnic background of the Ulster unionist is neither Irish or English, but Scottish.
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Oh, those scary sons of Glyndwr! Burnt a few holiday homes in the 1980s! Hilarious, considering Glyndwr himself was the grandfather of that arch separatist Henry Tudor, who fathered that other English hating monarch, Henry VIII!

Mind you, it is probably fair to say that if my regional devolved government had such a shit record on health care provision that the rich citizens were leaving in droves just in order to be able to get cancer care over the border in England, and then was insisting despite a huge majority wishing to leave the European Union, we really ought to stay, I'd be thinking about independence too. Independence from my own fucking country!
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Oh, and the funniest thing about that poster? That they have to put it in English, because most people reading it don't understand a word of Welsh. None of the Welsh people I've asked even know what the word Cymru actually means!
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Oh, and if any one is asking....

As far as I can make out, Cymru is a Celt word, a sort of pidgin Arabic if you like, much like Gael languages spoken in Scotland, Ireland, and parts of France and Spain. It seems to mean "this country". Fucking geniuses!
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Let's not forget the Cornish National Liberation Army.
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Cornwall voted to leave the European Union, by a 42 000 majority. Obviously there is a movement for independence in Cornwall. For UK independence. Got any more? Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, perhaps?
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Calm down, the last two were a joke. I don't think Wales much less Cornwall will need be leaving that warm and snuggly love fest known as the UK. As to the PFLP, if you are planning on re occupying Palestine then we should probably include them.
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Joking or not, the latest news from the Republic is that annoying bastard Stephen Fry is being investigated for blasphemy. Blasphemy I hear you type. Yes, Ireland made a law against blasphemy in 2009!

Now you would think that as a member of the European Union, that yooman rites loving quasi-state, Ireland wouldn't be able to make laws against blasphemy. After all this is 2017 and the Spanish Inquisition is long gone. Then again, Germany has been able to make a law that means if you suggest the holocaust didn't happen exactly as Germany claims it happens, you're in the shit. No matter where in the world you said it.

Hmmm.... The European Union. May as well tear up human rights for its citizens and border controls and let Islamic State in. Oh wait, Angela Merkel did exactly that!
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