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Old 12-25-2017, 06:55 PM   #481
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Right, and you’re planning to give America back when exactly?
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In the Irish civil war by proxy, Rangers, who have been struggling slightly since their return to the Scottish Premier League, held their Old Firm rivals to a goal-less draw away at Celtic.

Meanwhile, as we come up to a year since Martin McGuinness retired, power sharing seems to have gone off the boil as the political class choose to concentrate instead on the false issue of the border post Brexit.

Has James Brokenshire decided to take a leaf out of the book of Sinn Fein MPs, and just not fucking bother?
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Celtic had two fantastic saves in the 2nd half to preserve the tie. Plus we picked up a promising German going forward. I like their chances.

A little more history, with no agenda attached. 20 years since Loyalist Billy Wright was assassinated by the INLA inside the Maze. The mainstream Loyalist groups, UDA and IVF had signed on to the cease fire, Wright had a substantial following that opposed it. Rather than create a split inside the Loyalist paramilitaries, it was far more expedient to have him taken out by the republicans. the provos were on board by with the cease fire, so the INLA was the logical choice. Its a forgotten fact that all thru the troubles the principals all knew how to communicate with each other. There was no daylight between the security forces and the loyalists, but the IRA maintained lines of communication with not only the security forces, but with their Loyalists counterparts. Years before in 1982 the IRA killed Lenny Murphy, the leader of the Shankill butchers. It was a set up, Murphy had become a liability to the mainstream Loyalists. By giving him up to the provos, it was a win/ win. The IRA got a propaganda coup, the Loyalists removed an embarrassment. Again just some history, not really trying to make a point.

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Read an article on the Billy Wright killing today, that's what's got me started.
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Yes, most criminal mobs find it useful to communicate with their rivals to help minimise bloodshed.
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That's why I included the RUC.
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Naturally.

Little statistic for you, going in to 2018. The Irish government has released information that 1 in 5 passport applications in 2017 has been from residents in the United Kingdom this year. The press have jumped on this as being "because of Brexit".

Whilst I think a unilateral declaration by our government ensuring residency status for any European citizen already here is long over due, any one here who would rather be a European Citizen than one of Her Majestys subjects, should fuck off out of here as quickly as possible as far as I am concerned.

You could try the USA, I heard they had a revolution?
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From Sky News, reports of a kneecapping in West Belfast last night. An armed gang broke in to a house, and coshed a woman before shooting the man in both kneecaps and his right ankle, in front of his children.

"A detective said: "This was a brutal attack in a busy residential area and yet another example of how criminal groups seek to control communities through fear and violence."

I've made it quite clear throughout this thread, that whatever my own political allegances, it has always been my view that the paramilitaries amount to nothing more than organised criminals. The above statement just about sums this up.
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I agree. By the same token, all the fuckers fleeing from Middle East countries because of wars etc. should really fuck off back home and stand their ground.
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From Sky News, reports of a kneecapping in West Belfast last night. An armed gang broke in to a house, and coshed a woman before shooting the man in both kneecaps and his right ankle, in front of his children..
Do you know if the victim was Nationalist of Loyalist?
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West Belfast. Most likely dissident republicans. Any post good Friday violence is criminal, not political.
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Criminal, not political? That depends on ones perspective of violence. As far as I am concerned ALL paramilitary violence is criminal, what ever their motive. The men that bombed my home town were criminals, not politicians or soldiers. Bobby Sands died for nothing as far as I am concerned!

The article described the attack as taking place in the Cavendish Road area. I did a google image search which threw up some photos of Republican type murals. Difficult to fathom why a kneecapping would be needed though. Unless so called dissidents are seeking a return to pre-Good Friday conditions.
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While I condemn extra legal violence of the type described above, its important to remember the environment that fostered it. The rebirth of the IRA in 1969 was the direct result of the inability, or more likely the disinclination of the British government to protect British subjects, unwilling ones, from mob violence that was at best ignored and often participated in by the local police force.
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Apparently the British Army didn't share your view that all paramilitaries were criminals. Joint patrols with UDA were fairly common
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Post good Friday, IRA volunteers took a number of paths. Some went mainstream with Sinn Fein, some, mainly in the border counties took over the smuggling and fuel laundering that funded operations for private gain. The third smallest group are the so called dissidents. This is the group responsible for most if not all the recent violence. The smugglers are making way too much money to draw attention to themselves with something like the recent Belfast shooting.
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Right, so the provisionals responded by terrorising the community it claimed to be fighting for. What ever the failings of the British government, I don't see how it explains that situation. Except that the IRA were more concerned with criminality than with so called freedom.

Of course with Brexit, you called argue that the current political class are fostering conditions where they are governing a society that has not consented to that governance, but with one major difference. Unlike Ireland, the United Kingdom started out as an independent nation.

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This is a potential problem with the EU approach to Brexit, and their insistence that the UK still be subject to EU law when we leave. Any cross border criminality will only be exacerbated if the EU imposes a border in Ireland. It is worth remembering that the UK and Ireland had a customs waiver agreement that precedes our EU membership, so it is the EU that would be imposing a border.

It is funny though how people who claim to want to "unite" Ireland actually benefit from it being divided.

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How they expect that to work will be interesting to know. What galls me is that the EU feigning concern about Ireland, when none of them gave a fuck about what went on there during the time from 1922 and right up through all the troubles years. The French and Germans are just using it as a stick to beat the British with now that it suits them to do it.
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The EU is relying on a weak British government being undermined by a pro-EU political class. Theresa May is giving way on an unbelievable swathe of ground. It seems that what we will be left with is a choice between staying in the EU, or a slightly pallid imitation of being in the EU.

There is a precedent within the European Economic Area for a return to the type of arrangement that the UK and EIRE had before both nations joined the then Common Market. Croatia is a provisional member of the EEA, which includes all EU nations. It has a customs waiver arrangement with Bosnia and Herzogovinia, which ensures freedom of movement of goods, services and people between the two nations. It does not mean freedom of movement from Bosnia in to the rest of the EEA.

So the big question is what happens when 17.4 million British citizens wake up to the news that we're not really leaving the EU? That we won't be able to control our territories, decide who fishes in our waters, or comes to live in our lands? When we are still subject to European legislators and courts, even if we no longer have representatives there?

Potentially the result could make the "troubles" look like a rival school gang fight in comparison. There is a very definite demographic to who voted for what in the EU referendum. Leave supporters tend to come from either upper middle class rural backgrounds (guess who has all the guns?), or urban areas outside of the larger conurbation centres (guess who has all the hands on military combat experience?). Remain supporters are a bunch of middle class, university educated snowflakes, that were too stupid or lazy to get off their arses and vote!
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Irish airline Ryanaire have put in an application to continue operations out of the United Kingdom in the event of no trade deal being reached between the UK and EU. Ryanair only operate three routes between the United Kingdom and the rest of the European Union, so this is clearly two fingers up to any one who has the opinion that the political union is more important than trade!
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