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Old 12-17-2017, 07:25 PM   #441
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Peace walls are basically partitions to stop stupid Irish people from throwing stones and petrol bombs at each other in particularly culturally sensitive areas of the neat little town they call Belfast.
I always assumed from my readings that it was to stop them throwing things at the Protestant dominated police force and the British Army.
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Bit behind the times aren’t you? The PSNI as it is now known is officially recognised by Sinn Fein. The IRA is no longer the defacto police force in nationalist areas, and Catholics can report crime without fear of getting a bullet in their kneecap. The “real” IRA seem too preoccupied with killing Catholic police and prison officers to do any real damage.
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Bit behind the times arenít you? The PSNI as it is now known is officially recognised by Sinn Fein..
It is now, but wasn't when those peace walls were built.
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Which doesn’t alter the fact that they are there to keep the natives apart.
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Oddly enough, I'll have to agree with FR on this one. The walls were put up to keep the civilians of both communities apart. They didn't hamper movement of the security forces, or the IRA for that matter. Today the walls are covered with some fairly elaborate murals, of both the Republican and loyalist flavor.

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Today the walls are covered with some fairly elaborate murals, of both the Republican and loyalist flavor.
There are bus tours of those peace walls. Friends of mine took the tour a few years ago and they thought it was very interesting, although they found Belfast overall to be a tad dreary compared to Dublin or the west of Ireland.
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although they found Belfast overall to be a tad dreary compared to Dublin or the west of Ireland.
Hardy surprising BigAl. Belfast probably hasn't fully recovered or been rebuilt from 30 years of bombs and bullets.
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Or perhaps as a medium sized industrial centre, Belfast was never particularly exciting ti begin with?
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If it's drab and dreary you're after, visit Limerick, it's been quite a while, but the last time I was there it made Belfast look like Vegas.
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Indeed. For the benefit of the ignorant, there are certain flashpoints around Belfast where Loyalist and Nationalist areas lie side by side. The peace walls prevent public disorder by preventing gathered mobs from actually being able to get to each other except by a very convoluted route which would make it easy for police or soldiers to block their path.



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Reading that the Pope and the Queen are planning a joint visit to the north sometime next year. That should be interesting, depending on one's political or religious leanings, you can cheer the beloved monarch and spiritual father, or throw rocks at the foreign tyrant and the antichrist.
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I've not noticed any news reports of any thing like that. The Queen is generally winding things down, and handing much of the work she has traditionally done over to Charlie and his boys.

I'm wondering, when will Sinn Fein finally accept that for now at least, the Queen is the head of state, have their MPs take their places in parliament, and start serving the people that elected them?

That is probably more important than some imagined symbolism of a joint visit by monarch and bishop.
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Reading that the Pope and the Queen are planning a joint visit to the north sometime next year.
Canadian media are saying that a joint visit is just a rumor at present, nothing factual to it.
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Belfast Telegraph quoted Q radio that the details were being worked out. Not that familiar with Q radio, so not certain how reliable this may be.

As to Sinn Fein taking their seats, not going to happen, not anytime soon at any rate. It would be an act of political suicide that would tear the party in two. The likely beneficiaries being the fringe parties associated with the various "dissident" groups.
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Oh well, that is tough shit for any one that votes for Sinn Fein. Especially when the United Kingdom leaves the European Union, and Sinn Fein weren't there to represent the voice of those that voted for them!
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I've posted on this before, 76 year old Dennis Hutchings lost his bid to have a jury trial on murder charges from a 1974 shooting of an unarmed civilian.

The judge was unmoved by the fact that Hutchings patrol had been in a fire fight with the IRA just days beforer ther shooting. If you see this as a war, which I do,
Then you have to view the shooting as inevitable, loss of civilian life. The victim was a mentally challenged man who panicked at the sight of the patrol and ran.

I'm just not seeing any possible good out of continuing to prosecute an elderly man for something that happened 40 years ago.
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This is a major objection I have with Good Friday, and now with Brexit negotiations, that seem to be reflecting the situation we have in Northern Ireland. Namely that we are experiencing a "one rule for them, and another for every body else" situation. Terrorists get to walk free, whilst soldiers are prosecuted. Now it seems that people in Northern Ireland could be subject to completely different laws and regulations from the rest of us, for the sake of a political creed that wont even take its place in our democracy.

For me, that is unacceptable.
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Another similar case pending. Two members of the parachute regiment charged with the execution shooting of official IRA officer Joe McCann. Their names are shielded to prevent reprisals, though the officials couldn't mount much more than a spit ball attack.

If it was a planned assanination, it was no more than the IRA dealt with judges, and prison officers.

I posted before, an ugly, dirty little war. Time to move on.

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