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Old 07-22-2015, 08:15 PM   #101
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Yes, I'm being Rowdy Room obtuse. Maybe tomorrow , we can switch positions and give it another go. But until then, consider the fate of the Canaanites. God’s people were commanded to destroy them for their own wickedness.

Everyone knows about the "final solution". Just for the sake of being the devil's advocate, what was Hitler's first solution and who blocked it? More importantly, why did he block it? The ball is in your court Mr. Somedude.

Just remember that the victors write the history. Think outside of the conventional box.

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Old 07-23-2015, 02:43 PM   #102
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God's "chosen people" being commanded to destroy the Canaanites for their own wickedness is the scary Old Testament/Judaic religious stuff that sadly some Christian and Jewish fundamentalists still believe! And honestly, I don't think Hitler had a first solution because he didn't come up with the Final Solution...he just greenlighted it. History is written by the victors, the losers and neutral observers. It just depends on the source. As I have pointed out before, I was a history major!
And I think you're in danger of becoming RB's Donald Trump HRH...or FR might already have that job!
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Old 07-23-2015, 06:24 PM   #103
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E gads, a History Major! Strangely enough, I had thought of teaching history after my retirement. With Obama’s redistribution of my wealth plan and horrid economic policies, I’ll be able to retire when I’m only 109 years old.

The cleansing rituals directed by God to the Israelites after the Canaanite horror make the biblical account very believable to me.

In 1933, Hitler’s Nazi Germany came up with the first solution to the “Jewish Problem”. It was called the Haavara Agreement. It provided for Jewish immigration to Palestine. A quickly growing Jewish population in Palestine caused the Arab Revolt from 1936 to 1939. In 1939, the British government’s White Paper satisfied the Arabs by limiting Jewish immigration to 75,000 per year, effectively making the Haavara Agreement null and void.

In the mid seventies, I attended several lectures given by a renowned history PhD at my old university. He made a believable argument that the
Nuremberg Race Laws were an extension of the first solution and possibly a second solution.

Are we really going to argue about whether or not Hitler planned practically every major action taken by the Nazis or simply approved them? Very little was recorded regarding planning sessions, so I’ll go ahead and concede the point. Hitler didn't do it, it was Nazi Germany. I'll ask you one question. Everyone has heard of the infamous "final solution". By definition, doesn't that imply at least one previous solution?

Go ahead and call me “Trump”. I’ve certainly been called worse. As far as FR, I’ve always pictured him as being one half Benny Hill and one half Clive Owen.


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Old 07-24-2015, 12:20 PM   #104
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No, its all Benny and no Clive

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Now I've got this hilarious montage going through my head of Rotter running around real fast like Benny Hill to that silly music raping all the girls he can!

And HRH, I'll call you Trump, Forest Trump!
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Make that Forrest Trump and we're good. Mr. Gump was named Forrest after Nathan Bedford Forrest, civil war Confederate "got there first with the most men" general and founder of the KKK. Donald, Gump and Nathan were all unique and admirable individuals. Therefore, Forrest Trump would not be objectionable to me. However, I prefer HRH.

Clive Owen can insult someone without that person being aware of the insult. If FR isn't part Owen,he certainly studies his work.

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If you admire Nathan B. Forrest, Forrest Gump and Donald Trump, there is clearly no hope for you! The first was, as you say, founder of the Ku Klux Klan. The Second is one of the worst film characters of all time. And the third is a blowhard asshole who pretends he is self made but comes from a rich family and now thinks he should be President...
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If you admire Nathan B. Forrest, Forrest Gump and Donald Trump, there is clearly no hope for you! The first was, as you say, founder of the Ku Klux Klan. The Second is one of the worst film characters of all time. And the third is a blowhard asshole who pretends he is self made but comes from a rich family and now thinks he should be President...
Rowdy Room obtuse... Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.


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Actually, that saying doesn't apply here, HRH! Nathan Bedford Forrest is admirable for his military exploits, but his postwar behavior is abysmal. Can't stand the movie Forrest Gump and can't stand the Donald either...so I'm not just being Rowdy Room obtuse, Forrest Trump
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At the close of the Civil War, the Confederacy was in total disarray. Union deserters, freed slaves, and Confederate renegades ran rampant and were free to rape, pillage and wreak havoc at every level. An organized militia was desperately needed to preserve law and order. General Nathan Bedford Forrest, a military genius, stepped forward and either took a leadership role or was indeed a founder of the KKK. Under his leadership, the KKK doctrine was that we were once again, one nation under one flag. Their goal was to end the lawlessness and restore order. They accomplished that goal and were held in the highest esteem by citizens of both sides of the Civil War Conflict for many decades. Please view the 1915 movie, “Birth of a Nation”.

However, very early on, even the “wizard of the saddle” couldn’t contain the “The south will rise again” Confederate patriots and he withdrew from the KKK and totally distanced himself from the organization.

I have read everything that I could find on the life and times of Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, and I have never learned of anything that I couldn’t admire in his post war activities. Granted, his pre-war activities in the slave trade were questionable by today’s standards. Even so, his former enemies respected and admired him.

As far as the fictitious character, Forrest Gump, I really don’t give a rat’s ass what you thought of the movie. Tom Hank’s character was brave, honest to a fault, a faithful husband and a loving father. I admire that! If you don't, fuck you and the horse you rode up on!

As far as Donald Trump, his father secured an extraordinary education for him. It is very difficult to learn of exactly with what Trump started. However, it seems that by most sources, Trump’s father started with a heavily leveraged $500,000.00 loan and his baby boy turned that into a 10 billion dollar empire. Sounds like a self-made man with a brilliant father. Granted, he has an ego the size of New York State, but he appeals to the average American. His ego might bite him in the ass, but we will see. He is a prime example of the anti-Washington establishment political ninja. Except for his foray into professional wrestling, I truly admire him.


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"Birth of a Nation" is one of the biggest pieces of racist propaganda to ever be produced in the history of Cinema! I will say that I am in no way a biographer of Nathan Bedford Forrest and that he was a man on his own time, so it is hard to judge him in retrospect.
The character of Forrest Gump was well played by Tom Hanks, who is one of my favorite actors. However, that film is incredibly stupid and the character of Forrest Gump is honestly too stupid to live! And you'd better not try to fuck me or my horse HRH...neither of us swings that way...
Donald Trump is not a self-made man. His father would qualify as a self made man, whereas Donald grew up the son of a wealthy man, had all of those advantages and got his start in real estate in the family business and with family money. The Donald did make a lot of money with money to start with, I will give him that. Yet, he is in no way a self-made man and is a loudmouth blowhard idiot who changes his political stripes often!
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