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[subgirl]

i been rape 3 difennt time. i did not have rape thing before but did after the second time i was rape. even thow i am call subgirl i more of dom i what what the word on other have feel as i do if that make any scent. so

[Grm]

This thread is very like one I started a while ago;
http://www.rapeboard.com/showthread.php?t=133

[MarcEdeSade]

It seems universal that women marry for security, but cheat for vigor.

That is, they'll choose a good husband for a mate, but a good breeding partner for a lover.

until very recently, rape has been an accepted part of warfare, the warriors raping the women of the vanquished. even in vietnam it was often "overlooked"

[pravjey]

Originally Posted by subgirl

i been rape 3 difennt time. i did not have rape thing before but did after the second time i was rape. even thow i am call subgirl i more of dom i what what the word on other have feel as i do if that make any scent. so

Subgirl, your post raises another thought. It has occured to me that there is a element of dominance within even a consensual sexual act. Often, one person is on top and the other is underneath. Even if, the couple are standing up, say against a wall or the boss's desk, one person is thrusting, pushing, applying a certain level of force and the other is receiving.

Assuming that some of our ancestors had to resort to rape to procreate, perhaps they did not see it as bad because of their brains were not complex enought to distinguish rape and consensual sex. So maybe the idea as rape being bad developed gradually as mankind become more advanced and civilised.

Just a thought...I hope this doesn't appear as a condoning rape.

[Rheostatic]

From an evolutionary perspective, there is a biological argument for rape as "survival of the fittest".

You see it in a number of species, where intercourse always involves the male of the species wrestling the female into a submissive position to allow insemination. The reason for the struggle is this. The male of the species has a virtually endless supply of reproductive fluid he has spew off at will, and if he wants to promote his gene line, he'll try to impregnate anything that moves. The female has a limited supply of eggs, gestation can take up to or over a year in some species, and tends to decrease the female's life expectancy. Whereas the male can reproduce himself several times in a day, the female has limited capacity, and must be VERY selective as to which males get to her eggs. In most species, survival equals strength; strength to fight off attackers, hunt for food, etc. So if you want your offspring to have the best chance of success, you are going to want the strongest male to mate with. That's where the sex struggle comes in. The female does everything to resist and fight off her mate. The result, the strongest males will reproduce most often, and the species will be stronger for it.

Why it doesn't work with humans; we have evolved. Our survival is based not only on biological viability but also on complex social interactions. A strong intellect goes much further in securing a high paying job which will mean more long term success. Combine that with the monogamous family unit, and the most desirable mates are those that will commit to a family and play a strong role in the upbringing of his offspring. There's also the arguement, stated in another post, that women would be best off marrying this type of man, but cheating with the strongest, most handsome man she can find to get the "best of both worlds" for her offspring. This seems like a valid argument.

Also, from the evolutionary perspective, only the strongest males would be successful at forcing sex. In the case of humans, all you would need is some chloroform, the element of surprize, and some handcuffs, and even the weakest of the species can successfully mate with a woman who could otherwise kick his ass 7 ways to Sunday.

So I guess what I'm concluding from this long ass rant is that while there may be a biological drive for men to force themselves upon random females, it no longer works in modern society. But that's biology. Another example; our bodies are incredibly well adapted to store fuels like fats and carbs. This was a benefit in the hunter/gatherer days when famine was a normal occurance, but now it's a bitch for that fat-ass sitting in the cubical next to you at work chowing down on a Mars bar. Hey man, that's life, learn to deal.

You can wake up now.

[gal4]

Oh, me, oh, my beat me, beat me.
Yeah, do me with your mind. Heh.

you guys are over intellectualizing the situation. Back when I was selling it in the streets, I suppose my customers and I could have gotten into some nice discussion about why both of us were in the motel room.

Yeah, he was looking for, yeah, that, and I was looking for money.

Never realized that we were fulfilling some dang "prime directive".

No longer works, huh, then why the abundance of porn on the internet.

Hey, babies being born every day. I had one myself two years ago.

It would not be so bad, if the males, after they had a baby, would help raise the kid. But no, they go and watch stupid TV, surf the internet for porn.
They take out the garbage, cut the grass, and they now believe they have done you a world of favor. Yeah, man, thanks, I rather get bonked with a Boom Stick, provided you pay for it, and me, helplessly bound and gagged at your feet whimpering.
Whoops, sorry, my genetic programming is showing. Well, it tooks millions of years to produce. Beat me.

[menace]

I was gonna say something, but all this psyco/bio/evo babble changed that.

Nerds

[Rheostatic]

Originally Posted by gal4

Oh, me, oh, my beat me, beat me.
Yeah, do me with your mind. Heh.

No longer works, huh, then why the abundance of porn on the internet.

You saucy tart, you! Almost makes me want to put down my textbook

Why the abundance of porn? Why do you think? Can't get the real thing, jerk off to images on the screen and PRETEND it's the real thing. Or buy your saucy ass on the street. Tempting, buy my internet costs $40 bucks a month. Can get a lot more bang for my buck than shelling out the dough for your squish mitten in real life.

Then again, how much did you charge?

[shysnale]

reading this post makes me realize I am probably not a real rape fantasizer. The thing is, i would only like to be raped by real good looking people. (men or women). lol. As for explaining it, I just can't. I can only say one thing, it has a very deep root in my childhood. I remember a very old dream I had as a child. I dreamed i was falling from somewhere in a building, landing on carton boxes, naked. Then some nurses came from another room, put me on a table and did a lot of sexual things I did not want to do as a child. lol

[pravjey]

Originally Posted by shysnale

reading this post makes me realize I am probably not a real rape fantasizer. The thing is, i would only like to be raped by real good looking people. (men or women). lol. As for explaining it, I just can't. I can only say one thing, it has a very deep root in my childhood. I remember a very old dream I had as a child. I dreamed i was falling from somewhere in a building, landing on carton boxes, naked. Then some nurses came from another room, put me on a table and did a lot of sexual things I did not want to do as a child. lol

I think most people would fantasise about sexual contact with someone who is goodlooking. I don't think you're an imposter for wanting that, just normal (or as normal as anyone around here can get).

Anyway, it's interesting that you remember having a dream about being sexually violated as a child. I do subscribe to the theory that dreams are the brain's way of working through major issues/problems while we sleep. So perhaps if you tried to analyse the dream, then you might be one step closer to knowing why you have rape fantasies.

That is, if you want to know why...you could just sit back and enjoy the ride (so to speak)

[shysnale]

Originally Posted by pravjey

I think most people would fantasise about sexual contact with someone who is goodlooking. I don't think you're an imposter for wanting that, just normal (or as normal as anyone around here can get).

Anyway, it's interesting that you remember having a dream about being sexually violated as a child. I do subscribe to the theory that dreams are the brain's way of working through major issues/problems while we sleep. So perhaps if you tried to analyse the dream, then you might be one step closer to knowing why you have rape fantasies.

That is, if you want to know why...you could just sit back and enjoy the ride (so to speak)

Hey Pravjey.

Thanks for your answer.
Yeah I kinda agree with you, dreaming helps taking some distance with what happened the day before. I have noticed the more intense my dreams are, the better I wake up with a fresh mind in the morning. then I can easily think and focus. I'd like to have that everyday but I can't . Anyway, in answer to what you said, I read somewhere that kids are experiencing kind of a sexual desire for their moms. lol. Your mom is the first woman you know in your life. Maybe the rape neurosis starts somewhere back then. Like you get rapped by te house cleaner as you wanted to be raped by your mom. lol

Originally Posted by shysnale

Hey Pravjey.

Thanks for your answer.
Yeah I kinda agree with you, dreaming helps taking some distance with what happened the day before. I have noticed the more intense my dreams are, the better I wake up with a fresh mind in the morning. then I can easily think and focus. I'd like to have that everyday but I can't . Anyway, in answer to what you said, I read somewhere that kids are experiencing kind of a sexual desire for their moms. lol. Your mom is the first woman you know in your life. Maybe the rape neurosis starts somewhere back then. Like you get rapped by te house cleaner as you wanted to be raped by your mom. lol

funny, i have dreams about my dad raping me, but they only started in recent years, and I rarely see him or talk to him anymore
and i wake upfeeling absolutely disgusted and disturbed

[menace]

Originally Posted by persiangurl

funny, i have dreams about my dad raping me, but they only started in recent years, and I rarely see him or talk to him anymore
and i wake upfeeling absolutely disgusted and disturbed

As if you weren't disturbed to begin with

[shysnale]

Originally Posted by persiangurl

funny, i have dreams about my dad raping me, but they only started in recent years, and I rarely see him or talk to him anymore
and i wake upfeeling absolutely disgusted and disturbed

Did you experience that dream after one of the last meetings with your dad or did it just come up with no obvious reason ?

[pravjey]

QUestion to PG and OtisDriftwood (that is such a cool screen name BTW):

When u wake up feeling disgusted, which is more disgusting/disturbing - the act of rape or the act of incest?

[alice]

Why am I here? Lots of parts of things others have said. This is a private place, where I can share a private part of me with others who won't think there is something "wrong" with me.

As the saying goes, rape is about POWER. For me, as the victim, rape is about having power forcable taken from me and having power used against me to take me to a place in my head where I'm pushed so far (through physical pain, fear, humiliation, and shame) that I'm forced to break and give up inside, in my head. For a person with a very strong will, who is a total control freak , this is pretty powerful stuff!

The power a rapist has is his physical strength, his knowledge of my weaknesses, and his own commitment to taking what he wants. A potential consentual rapist once explained to me that his need came from primal urge to be allowed use a female's body and mind as he wished without compassion. For him, the mindfuck was as much of a thrill as the bodyfuck. Of course, the difference between this man and a true rapist is that he would rape only the willing.

[Rheostatic]

Alice, insiteful post.

I'm intrigued. I agree, as a competitive personality, rape is sort like a competition of strength and will, and the sex is like hoisting a trophy over my "competitors". But I have a hard time understanding the role of rapee. We sound a lot alike, yet I can't see enjoyment in being forced into submission. I have a shit-hemorrage whenever I lose at anything, it's hard to see how someone takes pleasure in it.

Any response? I really am very curious where the draw comes from.

[alice]

Originally Posted by Rheostatic

Alice, insiteful post.

I have a shit-hemorrage whenever I lose at anything, it's hard to see how someone takes pleasure in it.

Haha I do TOO - I hate to lose. I'm an outrageously brave girl. I don't give up. I literally have to be FORCED - to have NO options - to give up. But you know, that's hard. It takes a lot of energy to work so hard to win. I balance a million things every day - work, family, friends, tons of responsibility and I'm the driving force behind most of what gets accomplished!

So it's incredible to be forced to not keep control, to not have a choice. God sometimes I HATE making choices. But I'm sure as hell not going to let someone else make a decision for me. Unless I'm FORCED to do it.

Are you going to tear my clothes off or just throw me on the ground? Will you tie me? Are you going to hit me? Bite me? Slap me? Bruise my tits? My ass? Some other tender parts of me? Are you going to just fuck me or are you going to use objects inside of me? Will I feel fear? (!!) Will I cry out? How much can I take? The shame of being turned on by the names you call me, the humiliation of wanting to see the contempt on your face if you choose to pee on me, or just walk away and leave me spread open on the ground - these are all parts of the process. What will you have to do to me to make me say I'm sorry?

SORRY? Of course. Sorry for not being able to take it. For giving up. And later, of course, you would hear me say "thank you".

It's all about power.

[pravjey]

Originally Posted by alice

Why am I here? Lots of parts of things others have said. This is a private place, where I can share a private part of me with others who won't think there is something "wrong" with me.

As the saying goes, rape is about POWER. For me, as the victim, rape is about having power forcable taken from me and having power used against me to take me to a place in my head where I'm pushed so far (through physical pain, fear, humiliation, and shame) that I'm forced to break and give up inside, in my head. For a person with a very strong will, who is a total control freak , this is pretty powerful stuff!

The power a rapist has is his physical strength, his knowledge of my weaknesses, and his own commitment to taking what he wants. A potential consentual rapist once explained to me that his need came from primal urge to be allowed use a female's body and mind as he wished without compassion. For him, the mindfuck was as much of a thrill as the bodyfuck. Of course, the difference between this man and a true rapist is that he would rape only the willing.

I know exactly what you are talking about. You are clearly someone who has a large degree of control and power in real life, so you fantasy is about losing that control and power.

I feel that, at the moment, I have no power and not very much control in my life (long story, don't want to bore anyone). I am also generally a submissive person, I'll give in in a discussion to avoid an argument unless I really care about the matter at hand. I've also realised that I have a lot of unresolved anger inside me (funny that). So it is pretty clear to me why I fantasise about raping someone. and yeah, I agree, the mindfuck is just as much of a turn on as the actual fuck, possibly more so.