Should snuff be allowed? - Page 2 - Rape Board

Route66 · 02-22-2006, 08:11 PM

Ah....to snuff or not to snuff....personally....ick!!!!!!!
I am not sure how much snuff actually exists and whether it is snuff or psuedo porn generated by an industry that spotted a need for it to make a fast buck,yen,quid or euro.
The real problem in defining snuff being ok for this board is that if this were a bonefide rape site,then as rape is illegal and immoral,then of course snuff is one or two huge bloody steps beyond it, but surely no better or worse from a moral point. But as this is a rape FANTASY board,does not the fantasy ethic "out" clause apply to almost any subject as long as the author is from a fantasy angle?...as much as snuff ,real or fantasy,is not anywhere near my cup of tea,let alone on my coffee table, I would take the approach that the fantasy of snuff surely is acceptable,even if not for some on this board,as much as rape fantasy for casual visitors is almost as abhorrent!
In other words....I dont agree personally,but I cant bring myself to voting against it.
Route 66
Fence sitter
Face sitter
Probably best not to be a baby sitter

Rogue · 02-22-2006, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by prey4me

Rogue is concerned,

Well, if it dooes, then that's "the market" working itself out. People who demand a certain product will elicit the producers to provide it. The solution could be to segregate it into its own sub-forum, or (worst case scenario) you "take your business elsewhere." Quite a few of us have left, or become less active, on other boards because the content changed. It can and will happen again for various individuals.

I see the issues here, Rogue, as being two-fold:

1) Would snuff jeopardize the well-being and safety-of-the-domain (for lack of a better word)? I.e. would its inclusion risk the Board's shutdown at some future point?

1-A) Will snuff lead to, or allow, other things to develop? (Necrophilia and cannibalism have been suggested both seriously and in jest; there might be other categories of deviant titillation. Nobody's brought up incest!)

2) Is snuff just so repugnant that a consensus develops to prohibit it?

But with all respect, Rogue, I don't think your concern is anything to really worry about.

Part 1-A is similar to my concern though, how the site will develop. I woudn't have any if there was a sub-forum, then whatever happens, happens. 1 - sounds like a call for admin and mods to make, and 2 - is the part I find difficult to decide. On one side, I'd rather no snuff, on the other, I don't want to just dismiss it. A good story is a good story.

Kinnik · 02-22-2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Route66

I am not sure how much snuff actually exists and whether it is snuff or psuedo porn generated by an industry that spotted a need for it to make a fast buck,yen,quid or euro.

Im not %100 sure what this statement means.

Does real snuff exist in video form? Despite the histeria that often
surrounds the subject, probably not. Which is not to say that
a couple of serial killers have not taped their activities. However
these are not generally considered 'snuff' videos and I seriously
don't want to see that stuff.

From Wikipedia:

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A snuff film is a film that depicts an actual murder, produced explicitly for commercial entertainment purposes (and not as an incidental record of a murder committed for other purposes)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_film

Does fantasy snuff porn exist? Yes, this is the Internet, there is tons of it.
A great deal of it is consensual snuff porn in the Dolcett tradition.
It comes in so many varieties the mind positively boggles (necro, cannib, incest, lesbian, femdon, superheroine, gay, goth, tentacle, you name it.)

http://www.necrobabes.com
http://www.necrobabes.org/public/sites.htm
http://www.darksites.net/cgi-bin/top...em.cgi?id=GMan

TheOpportunist · 02-25-2006, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Grm

Is snuff an acceptable subject for this board?

Yes. I don't think that the authorities are going to think that rape is ok, but snuff isn't. They'll shut the site down for one just as quick as for the other. Put it in a seperate section so people don't have to look at it, and it will be fine in my opinion.

ffemt · 03-01-2006, 10:44 PM

I seriously
don't want to see that stuff.

curiousOne · 03-03-2006, 06:26 PM

sure, why not

03-03-2006, 06:46 PM

sorry

03-03-2006, 06:47 PM

I donÃ‚Â´t like Bestiality and Scat. So i have never click this boards.
No one is forced to see it.

Grm · 03-08-2006, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Grm

Is snuff an acceptable subject for this board?

Well this debate has run its full course and although lots of you felt that snuff was not an acceptable subject for the board[18] there was just a small majority in favour, as long as there was a warning of this content[21].

This is my judgement on this issue: As some of you are aware I'm against any form of censorship of the written word and others of you have pointed out how can any of us 'cast the first stone'. Personaly I don't care for snuff myself, but as long as I don't have to read it. As for pictures and video, this is a greyer area at the moment[unlike underage content], so I think we should take this post by post. If anyone reads or sees anything on the board he or she thinks is inappropriate, then please make your feelings plain, either in a post or a pm to me. So unless admin overules me, then I shall not be censoring any posts with this content.
neutral
Grm

Depravity · 03-08-2008, 10:13 PM

Murder precedes necrophilia, but anything else like cannibalism, mutilation, and dismemberment can be had at any point.

As for snuff fantasy, it's in line with rape in all reality. A woman role plays the victim and a man role plays her master. To say one is better than the other is preposterous. The only thing that must be agreed upon is leaving children out of the equation.

SirSinister · 03-09-2008, 02:21 AM

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.
And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

Lets just say I find it amusingly hypocritical of anyone on these boards to want to limit content beyond what jepodises its continuation... get off your high horses... you have no moral high ground to stand on... none of us do with our tastes...

also heres another one for the yanks specifically...
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

If ppl want to post a snuff story let them... if ppl dont want to read them... impliment a require overview before stories... ie catagorize them... snuff... pedo... interracial... lez... D/s... NC... Rape... M/ff... etc...

If you dont like being told what you can and cant read... dont go telling anyone else what they can or cant...

somedude · 03-09-2008, 02:28 AM

This was a two year old thread that was dug up...do we really need to debate snuff again....

Sierra · 03-09-2008, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SirSinister

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.
And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

Oh, please, Sinnie. Not allowing a particular genre of fantasy hardly warrants invoking NiemÃ¶ller.

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Lets just say I find it amusingly hypocritical of anyone on these boards to want to limit content beyond what jepodises its continuation... get off your high horses... you have no moral high ground to stand on... none of us do with our tastes...

It has nothing to do with any moral high ground. Most of us here live in the gutter anyway. It has to do with preferences in a private community. And speaking of high horses.....

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also heres another one for the yanks specifically...
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Now you're hauling Evelyn Hall in to this? How does that apply?

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If ppl want to post a snuff story let them... if ppl dont want to read them... impliment a require overview before stories... ie catagorize them... snuff... pedo... interracial... lez... D/s... NC... Rape... M/ff... etc...

If people want to read a snuff story, look a child porn, or whatever, there are myriad places on the net they can go. The rules for this community - spoken or unspoken - have been set by the owner or his/her designee, with contribution by the members. This is not a democracy. I choose not to have the Koran in my house. That's my right.

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If you dont like being told what you can and cant read... dont go telling anyone else what they can or cant...

Nobody is telling you what you can or can't read. Just that you won't read it HERE. There are other places to cater to that particular kink, and that's great.

Now come over here and let me sit on your lap......

SirSinister · 03-09-2008, 02:43 AM

If the snuff... necro etc is in the context of a rape story its a valid inclusion... like I already told you...

And heres another quote for you... from Grm... one agree with absolutely... you know how much I hate the word...
"I'm against any form of censorship of the written word "

How about you lay across my lap while I give you twenty five bare assed?..

Sierra · 03-09-2008, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SirSinister

If the snuff... necro etc is in the context of a rape story its a valid inclusion... like I already told you...

I'm agreeing with you. It just won't be a valid conclusion HERE.

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And heres another quote for you... from Grm... one agree with absolutely... you know how much I hate the word...
"I'm against any form of censorship of the written word "

Again I agree with you. I loathe censorship. However, again, this is a private community. You get to choose what books you put on your bookshelf, and this community gets to choose what stories are included in its archives.

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How about you lay across my lap while I give you twenty five bare assed?..

Silly man. How is that punishment?

SirSinister · 03-09-2008, 02:49 AM

No... you get to choose which stories you read...
And this isnt your bookshelf... its a library and you dont get to decide what books are here...

Infernal female... I could just leave it at that... no aftercare... no further punishment...

Sierra · 03-09-2008, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirSinister

No... you get to choose which stories you read...
And this isnt your bookshelf... its a library and you dont get to decide what books are here...

No, I don't get to decide, the owners and the community do. I am a member of the community which did decide.

This is not a public library. It's a private website - not unlike a private home.

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Infernal female... I could just leave it at that... no aftercare... no further punishment...

Now Sinnie....you know you love me.

SirSinister · 03-09-2008, 02:56 AM

Yes well the final decision was in my favour anyway... so i'll be mature about this... NER NER!!!.

I tolerate you... mwahahaha...

Sierra · 03-09-2008, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SirSinister

Yes well the final decision was in my favour anyway... so i'll be mature about this... NER NER!!!.

OOOOOOOOOO!!! SO mature. It's one of your finer qualities.

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I tolerate you... mwahahaha...

Liar. You adore me, and I tolerate you.

SirSinister · 03-09-2008, 03:12 AM

Adore?.. Sorry tuts... im too in love with myself to spare some adoration for you... lol

View Poll Results: Is snuff acceptable?
Yes, snuff is acceptable.	13	33.33%
No, snuff is not acceptable.	18	46.15%
Yes,snuff is acceptable if the subject is indicated.	8	20.51%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

03-03-2006, 06:46 PM	#27
rpstkllr Guest Posts: n/a	why not. but it must near Bestiality Board sorry Last edited by rpstkllr; 03-06-2007 at 03:57 PM.

03-03-2006, 06:47 PM	#28
rpstkllr Guest Posts: n/a	why not. but it must near Bestiality Board I donÃ‚Â´t like Bestiality and Scat. So i have never click this boards. No one is forced to see it.

03-09-2008, 02:28 AM	#32
somedude W.I.R. and Marshal Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Way out West!!!! Posts: 8,566 Reputation: 124981	This was a two year old thread that was dug up...do we really need to debate snuff again.... __________________ I'm a pervert and proud of it!

02-22-2006, 08:11 PM	#21
Route66 Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 44 Reputation: 1451	Ah....to snuff or not to snuff....personally....ick!!!!!!! I am not sure how much snuff actually exists and whether it is snuff or psuedo porn generated by an industry that spotted a need for it to make a fast buck,yen,quid or euro. The real problem in defining snuff being ok for this board is that if this were a bonefide rape site,then as rape is illegal and immoral,then of course snuff is one or two huge bloody steps beyond it, but surely no better or worse from a moral point. But as this is a rape FANTASY board,does not the fantasy ethic "out" clause apply to almost any subject as long as the author is from a fantasy angle?...as much as snuff ,real or fantasy,is not anywhere near my cup of tea,let alone on my coffee table, I would take the approach that the fantasy of snuff surely is acceptable,even if not for some on this board,as much as rape fantasy for casual visitors is almost as abhorrent! In other words....I dont agree personally,but I cant bring myself to voting against it. Route 66 Fence sitter Face sitter Probably best not to be a baby sitter

03-01-2006, 10:44 PM	#25
ffemt Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 20 Reputation: 10	I seriously don't want to see that stuff.

03-03-2006, 06:26 PM	#26
curiousOne Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 7 Reputation: 10	sure, why not

03-08-2008, 10:13 PM	#30
Depravity Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7 Reputation: 13	Murder precedes necrophilia, but anything else like cannibalism, mutilation, and dismemberment can be had at any point. As for snuff fantasy, it's in line with rape in all reality. A woman role plays the victim and a man role plays her master. To say one is better than the other is preposterous. The only thing that must be agreed upon is leaving children out of the equation.

03-09-2008, 02:21 AM	#31
SirSinister Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 184 Reputation: 112	"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." Lets just say I find it amusingly hypocritical of anyone on these boards to want to limit content beyond what jepodises its continuation... get off your high horses... you have no moral high ground to stand on... none of us do with our tastes... also heres another one for the yanks specifically... "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" If ppl want to post a snuff story let them... if ppl dont want to read them... impliment a require overview before stories... ie catagorize them... snuff... pedo... interracial... lez... D/s... NC... Rape... M/ff... etc... If you dont like being told what you can and cant read... dont go telling anyone else what they can or cant...

03-09-2008, 02:43 AM	#34
SirSinister Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 184 Reputation: 112	If the snuff... necro etc is in the context of a rape story its a valid inclusion... like I already told you... And heres another quote for you... from Grm... one agree with absolutely... you know how much I hate the word... "I'm against any form of censorship of the written word " How about you lay across my lap while I give you twenty five bare assed?..

03-09-2008, 02:49 AM	#36
SirSinister Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 184 Reputation: 112	No... you get to choose which stories you read... And this isnt your bookshelf... its a library and you dont get to decide what books are here... Infernal female... I could just leave it at that... no aftercare... no further punishment...

03-09-2008, 02:56 AM	#38
SirSinister Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 184 Reputation: 112	Yes well the final decision was in my favour anyway... so i'll be mature about this... NER NER!!!. I tolerate you... mwahahaha...

03-09-2008, 03:12 AM	#40
SirSinister Banned Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 184 Reputation: 112	Adore?.. Sorry tuts... im too in love with myself to spare some adoration for you... lol