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11-17-2007, 05:36 PM | #101 |
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Ok, i will say something constructive:
*grabs ball gag and gags ctomie tightly* Now that Assurancetourix the bard is bound and gagged, the fiesta can go on in the small gaulic village!! Erm..... why was JackTheRipa banned? Last edited by ego; 11-17-2007 at 05:39 PM. |
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and as for the respect, i dont need yours, look at the reputation i have earned from members over the years Last edited by clan_hunter; 11-17-2007 at 05:44 PM. |
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11-17-2007, 05:43 PM | #103 |
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Let me begin by letting you know that all christians should be evangelical christians. The prime reason is that they all believe in the one and only Bible. The bible contains the gospel: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. You do not have to look through every single passage in there, but it essentially teaches that we're all sinners and we need to accept Jesus to have eternal life (i.e. that's the whole point that the bible is trying to convey here). To be more concrete here, it teaches the crucification of Jesus and the implication that it has about our afterlife: If we accept, we're saved; if not, we're going to hell. This is often referred to as the "good news" or "gospel". Since all christians believe in the good news / gospel, they must all be evangelical christians (you may verify it by looking up the definition of the word "evangelical"). You may also find yourself some additional reference by googling "evangelical christians" (see the second search result). Here is a repetition of the above, in summarized form: 1. All christians must believe in the one and only bible. 2. The bible contains the gospel (or the "good news"). 3. Christians who believe in the gospel/good news are evangelical christians. 4. Therefore, all christians must be evangelical christians. All christians (christians in the premise sense) are indeed one big family, because they must all be evangelical christians. Again, please consult the dictionary and additional references from google to verify (to yourself) that the premises are true. I usually don't like the idea of posting website addresses in a forum. Note: I'm writing all the above not because I believe in them personally, but to tell you that they are what christians believe. On to the next issue... I won't conclude that just because certain Muslims were involved in the 9/11 incident, then all Muslims must be evil. They took the idea of Jihad to an extreme level. You may even say that they took the idea out of context (but whether it means that they are true Muslims or not...well I don't know). If you try to tie that into our current discussion, you'll say something like "just because some christians insult does not mean that all of them do." I hate to break it to you, but you're sadly mistaken about the premise ("some christians insult"). I'll be convinced if you were to argue that most christians don't insult in the sense that they don't actually speak out, but not in the sense that they don't have that thought in their mind. You do agree that calling anyone ignorant, lost and pitiful are insulting don't you? The reality here is that christians do think of us as such, because they claim to know the truth and the gospel while we, as unbelievers, don't. Let me ask the same question here again, what if christians are on the verge of losing a religious argument with non-christians? Wouldn't they use some kind of a "cop-out"? If they would, then what else do you think they can say, besides telling the non-christian that they're ignorant? As an additional reference, please google "arguing against faith" and look at the first search result. I know it sounds disappointing to you, but the premises that you've been providing here are far from being convincing. |
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11-17-2007, 06:09 PM | #107 | |
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11-17-2007, 06:25 PM | #108 | |
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11-17-2007, 06:26 PM | #109 | |
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When it comes to debating logically, you aren't even worth it. I guess you won't even bother to refute my last post to you (the last post that addressed the actual discussion, that is) because you're just too incompetent to do it. You haven't been able to give me a decent argument anyway. However, given your total incompetence and reading disability, I wouldn't be surprised if you don't bother trying anymore, because I wouldn't do it if I were you. You're boring and definitely not a worthy opponent to be taken seriously. Here is an advice: get an education and learn something. Forget about the question. In fact, don't bother trying to think anymore, because it just kills your brain cells **********************. Last edited by Wicked; 11-18-2007 at 06:47 AM. Reason: insult removed |
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11-17-2007, 06:27 PM | #110 |
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11-18-2007, 12:37 AM | #111 | |||
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Telling me to hold myself responsible is no different from telling me that I'm responsible. Pointing out that such a topic would provoke negative responses is no different from telling me that I would be responsible for it. It doesn't matter how you twist the words or the facts, this is still call blaming, and you were blaming me for the responses that I was getting. Before I re-phrase the above in a simpler language to make you understand better, please look at the definition: blame 1: to find fault with : censure <the right to praise or blame a literary work>2 a: to hold responsible <they blame me for everything> b: to place responsibility for <blames it on me> Here is the re-phrasing for you: By declaring that I'm responsible for all the reactions that I was getting, you were blaming me for it. This is the DEFINITION of the word. Quote:
2. I do know that this is called the rapeboard (I found that out by looking at that big red title on top). What I also know is that there is a section called the Idle talk, and it has been specifically stated that "all themes are welcome". Yet you're saying that my talk about Jack and christianity don't belong here? Quote:
By looking at the number you have, there is no doubt that you've earned plenty of respect from other members. To me, respect is optional. I stand up for what I believe in and I'm definitely not easily influenced by anyone. It doesn't matter if my opinions earned no respect from anyone...if I have to give up my beliefs in order to be liked, then I'll rather be hated. I AM WHO I AM and NOT WHAT PEOPLE WANT ME TO BE WHO I AM. You're glad to have such a high reputation, but to me, reputation/respect/approval is a bunch of useless crap that means nothing. If you don't need my respect, no problem. I don't need it from anyone either. Thank you. Last edited by ctomie; 11-18-2007 at 12:39 AM. |
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11-18-2007, 12:43 AM | #112 | |
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And for the record...I have held many religious discussion with various Christians. (My Roman Catholic college roommate for hour and hours when we should have been sleeping, various friends of numerous denominations, and a Mormon co-worker with whom I started the conversation the conversation by saying "so why is it most Christians consider you all heretics anyway?") And never have I been insulted or ridiculed because my belief system differs from theirs. Maybe if you approached it as a discussion rather than an argument you'd have better luck. B. and ... oh yeah... Mark 16:15-16 (King James Version) 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Looks like you missed that one.
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Sure, Roman Catholics and Mormons don't insult. But what does this fact tell you about the christians? Nothing. I've already done enough to prove my point (whether you people agree with it or not), so I don't need any "better" luck. Quote:
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11-18-2007, 01:21 AM | #114 | |
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As for expanding, you are expanding on different passages not on the one i quoted. Nothing in the 16th book of Mark indicates anything that you have said. My point was, since you missed it, that the book contradicts itself.
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11-18-2007, 01:29 AM | #115 |
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i've already answered that . you asking twice more isn't going to change the answer any . i also made a post a long time ago bout your little "rant" here . i said what i had to say . i think you are a closet christian . either that or you envy of those of us that do believe in a higher power . for the record , some of my gnostic christian beliefs are the same as yours . some aren't . i just don't feel the need to bash a group of people everytime i open my mouth . maybe you are like that other member that needs to constantly be the center of attention .
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"Has God indeed said...For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."? (Eph. 2:8-9) You may call the above a message concerning the gospel (since it is about saving the souls). On the other hand, Roman Catholics believe that, in order to be saved, BOTH faith AND works are required. Roman Catholics aren't christians, nor it is the case that christians are Roman Catholics because they have different conceptions about the gospel. Quote:
Ok, there is no indication that unbelievers are ignorant about God's words just by looking at the quote alone. But that's pretty much a separate issue. It still holds that unbelievers ARE ignorant of God's words and here is why: It has often been said that God is beyond humans (and it's true because God, by definition, is an omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent being). As for pity? Well, the quote did not discuss it either (as you said), but it does not give us a reason to reject that claim. Last edited by ctomie; 11-18-2007 at 02:09 AM. |
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11-18-2007, 01:48 AM | #117 |
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11-18-2007, 01:52 AM | #118 |
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Why on Earth is anyone still trying to debate this guy? It's not a debate, it's an unending argument with someone who obviously has nothing better to do.
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Let me make this perfectly clear to you: It's not that I'm a "closet" christian, I'm NOT even a christian. Having said that, I do not believe in a higher power. And why would I envy the believers? What is there to envy about? Agnostics believe that it is unknown and unknowable as to whether God exists. That's similar to what a skeptic would say. I don't doubt anything about God's existence. I'm NOT skeptical whatsoever, so how is it that agnostic christian beliefs are the same as mine? I do not bash christians so that I can be at the center of attention. When did I ever say that this is my primary (or secondary) purpose? Furthermore, I do NOT need attention from anyone. As for your previous posting, I've read about it, but I considered that as rubbish. Last edited by ctomie; 11-18-2007 at 02:05 AM. |
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11-18-2007, 02:04 AM | #120 | |
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That's right, it's obvious that I have nothing better to do at the time of my posting of the messages. Thank you. Catholics aren't christians because they believe in different versions of the gospel. Please get your facts straight and stop using lines like "doing X is like doing Y or saying Y is like saying Z...blah blah blah." Quite frankly I've had enough of that bullshit. Moreover, if they wish to debate, just let them (regardless of how boring their arguments might be). Last edited by ctomie; 11-18-2007 at 02:07 AM. |
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