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Old 08-21-2015, 07:11 AM   #21
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During World War II, the US supplied 100% of Allied oil needs and millions of tons of Victory ships that carried everything from corned beef to tuna and from tanks to jeeps to England.

Quite true my old fruit. but you didn't do it out of the kindness of your hearts. We were still paying for it long after the war ended.
Roosevelt’s Lend Lease program sent over $31 billion dollars worth of war materials, food and supplies to Britain during WWII. At the war’s end that amount was discounted and Britain started repayment with a 2% interest rate in 1951. 50 annual payments of $83.3 million were made with several years being deferred. The last payment was made in December of 2006. Paying back a $31 billion loan over more than 60 years with $4.15 billion including interest sounds like a kind heart to me.

Whether we were war time profiteers or concerned neighbors, $31 billion was money well invested in the future of our respective countries.

Another factoid: The United States lost a total of 450,900 military personnel and civilians killed in action. Britain lost 419,400. That was .94 % of the 1939 population of Britain and .32 % of the 1939 population of the US. Those losses changed our world in more profound ways than we can imagine.

Effects of Strategic Bombing on the German War Economy of October 31, 1945 put the civilian losses at 375,000 killed and 625,000 wounded”


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We could have just left Hitler to it, or joined him in killing commies instead.
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We could have just left Hitler to it, or joined him in killing commies instead.
The evil that was Hitler needed to be sent to hell as quickly as possible. In my vernacular, that son of bitch desperately needed killin. As far as the "commies", in light of the fact that we still had a war in the Pacific to win, we probably took the correct action at the end of the war in Europe. However, in hind sight, millions of innocent lives could have been saved if we had taken the equally evil Stalin out while we had our army in position. We had MacArthur in Japan, how about Eisenhower or Montgomery in Russia? Could Patton have really started a conflict that could have been blamed on the Russians and would the US Congress have declared war against Russia? Would England have stood with the US? More importantly, would Scotland have been on board? Of course, how tough is it to get a Scot fighting mad?

Anyone have a theory regarding the death of General George S. Patton?


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Before we get into a slanging match about who did, or did not, have the most casualties I would quote you the figures for the casualties from the following:-

Russia 10,000,000
Germany 3,000,000
China 2,500,000
Japan 2,000,000

It kind of puts things into perspective doesn't it. As the great Scottish poet, Robert Burns, said "Man's inhumanity to man"

http://warchronicle.com/numbers/WWII/deaths.htm

ps All I know about that loudmouth Patton was that, like Eisenhower, he was shagging his driver.
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My old friend, I would never enter a slanging match with an old professional slanger such as yourself. My posting of the statistics of casualties was to point out the overwhelming % of losses suffered by Britain as opposed to the US. The British lost almost one out of every 100 of their population. That is staggering to the point of almost disbelief. I agree, it was an extraordinary example of man's inhumanity to man.

Where we have a problem is the never ending downplaying of the US role in the conflict. The Brits are like the 101st airborne trapped in Belgium never admitting that they were rescued.

In closing, Patton had multiple affairs with a series of women. He even had a brief incestuous relationship with his niece. However, there is no record that I can find of him ever having a female driver or an affair with a female driver. But, if he did, who gives a shit!

West Point graduates of the period were all well versed in the needs of fighting men throughout history. Sex was considered as important as a good morning piss.

Patton was an absolute military genius. Even the Germans knew this.

Once more, our liberal politically correct media damned near lost the fucking war!

Patton was the least politically correct US general in our history (with the possible exceptions of MacArthur and Arnold).

Patton had a high pitched almost squeaky voice that endeared him to very few. The results of his command should endear him to everyone in the "free world" including the habitually egotistical and ungrateful British and French.



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Sex was considered as important as a good morning piss.

It still is, my friend, it still is. Sometimes even better. Lol
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And you have finally crossed the line by comparing the Brits with those cheese eating French surrender monkeys. Unforgivable. I demand satisfaction.
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The single most brilliant act of the entire war was the Royal Navy sinking the French navy after they rolled over and let Hitler bum ten types of shit out of them.

Don't mistake the downplaying of the US role in WWII for ingratitude. Undoubtedly without the support from across the Atlantic, Britain would have never even considered entering the fray, let alone been able to stay in it. We would have starved for starters. Hitler proved himself inept however when faced with a real and determined enemy. He should have wiped us out at Dunkirk, but didn't. He could have wiped us out by destroying our ports and airfields, but didn't. He overstretched himself in Africa and Russia.

The USA didn't rescue Britain. Britain, and the USA rescued the rest of Europe, especially those cheese eating surrender monkeys. Kicking us out of France was one thing, invading this sceptre isle would have been something else. Something that every man, woman, and child would have opposed vehemently. Just as Hitler broke his teeth on the rocky shores of Malta, he would have broken his balls on the tough boots of Britain.

The USA merely shortened the war, and ensured their true enemy, The Soviet Union, didn't take too much of the spoils of the conflict.

I suspect that Merkel would have more success here today, than Hitler ever stood of having.
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And you have finally crossed the line by comparing the Brits with those cheese eating French surrender monkeys. Unforgivable. I demand satisfaction.
How odd, I thought that comparison would piss off the French. By the way, old farts like us can demand anything, but usually to no avail.

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The single most brilliant act of the entire war was the Royal Navy sinking the French navy after they rolled over and let Hitler bum ten types of shit out of them.

Don't mistake the downplaying of the US role in WWII for ingratitude. Undoubtedly without the support from across the Atlantic, Britain would have never even considered entering the fray, let alone been able to stay in it. We would have starved for starters. Hitler proved himself inept however when faced with a real and determined enemy. He should have wiped us out at Dunkirk, but didn't. He could have wiped us out by destroying our ports and airfields, but didn't. He overstretched himself in Africa and Russia.

The USA didn't rescue Britain. Britain, and the USA rescued the rest of Europe, especially those cheese eating surrender monkeys. Kicking us out of France was one thing, invading this sceptre isle would have been something else. Something that every man, woman, and child would have opposed vehemently. Just as Hitler broke his teeth on the rocky shores of Malta, he would have broken his balls on the tough boots of Britain.

The USA merely shortened the war, and ensured their true enemy, The Soviet Union, didn't take too much of the spoils of the conflict.

I suspect that Merkel would have more success here today, than Hitler ever stood of having.
By George, I think I see the clarity of your argument. If it weren't for the US, Britain wouldn't have entered the fray, couldn't have stayed in the fray and would have starved to death, but the US didn't rescue Britain. Whoa wait, I lost that fleeting moment of clarity and I'm confused again.

Due to Hitler's revenge tactics of targeting civilian targets, the RAF barely managed to cling to air superiority and that saved the unarmed British on the scepter'd isle from having to take German lessons. "Never was so much owed by so many to so few."

I submit that Hitler and Stalin were both cancerous growths on civilization. The German and Russian people were never our enemies.

I too admire the achievements of Ms. Merkel. Is it just me or does anyone else see a resemblance to Margaret Thatcher?


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For the US, the war was very much a matter of choice. Even after Pearl Harbour, Japan would have been somewhat stretched to really threaten your country. For most of Europe, there really was no choice but to go to war. Hitler viewed Britain as a natural ally, yet we chose to go to war against him, because the alternative was too horrific. As it turned out, Churchill was right, Hitler was a menace and Chamberlain should have prepared sooner.

So Chamberlains mistake nearly cost us dear. But where was our supposed ally when we really did need rescuing? When our expeditionary force turned to disaster, when we nearly lost control of the skies over the Atlantic, when we were being forced out of North Africa, and our only other lifeline to the rest of Empire was under threat?

Sitting on its arse and sending us a few ships of supplies is where. The US cynically waited, and waited, and waited. You had a choice, and never took it, because the war didn't really hurt you, did it? You only joined in when the turning tide in Europe left you with no realistic alternative.

Don't lecture me about rescuing us! You did fuck all until you were certain you had a safe platform to stage your land grab with the Soviets from.

Merkel is nothing like Thatcher.
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Roosevelt and Churchill were true allies. Roosevelt would have done anything (and possibly did) to get us into a war with Germany. However, the American people had no desire to go back to Europe for round 2. Hell, there were more German sympathizers here than English sympathizers and quite frankly more anti Semitics here than in all of Europe. Since the French and Indian wars, the American Revolution and the War of 1812, the American people have largely mistrusted the French and the British. In 1940, more people here were willing to fight the English with the Germans rather than Germans with the English.

Veterans of WWI came back with a distaste for the French and the English and a respect for the Germans. Even WWII veterans came back saying they were treated better and had more in common with the conquered German nationals than either the English or the French. Remember the phrase, "overpaid, oversexed and over here". That pretty well summed up the British welcome in WWII. If Hitler hadn't declared war on the US just after Pearl Harbor, there has been some heated debate as to whether are not the US congress would have declared war on Germany as well as Japan.

Yeah, I see what you mean. Except for their eyes, noses, eye brows, jaw line, age lines and lips, I see little resemblance. I was probably confused by the dress colors. Ah!, "There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See".
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Merkel reminds me more of Hitler, and her attitude towards the rest of Europe is almost as distasteful. Thatcher was the best thing to happen to this country in my lifetime.
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As far as Ms. Merkel's politics, I don't have a dog in the fight so just as I would have said in 1939, I really haven't followed the current events in Europe and can't speak intelligently on the subject. I commented regarding their resemblance in physical appearance.

As far as your second sentence, I fear that we must agree to agree. Mrs. Thatcher was a brilliant and grand lady!

On a non-related subject, yesterday, I received my copy of Nine Rivers from Jordan. I read it last night. Thanks for the recommendation, it was a good read and very thought provoking. I'd never read or heard accounts of German soldiers ever having wired live enemy wounded with explosives. And, I found the following quote to be prophetic: "I wonder how soon it will be before these macabre, sub-human crimes will be glossed over and forgotten, and for what reason?"



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I'm glad at least you enjoyed the book, even if we can't agree on how won the war was before the USA became involved.

Regarding Merkel, when was the last time you had your eyes tested? Thatcher whilst not a beauty, certainly had grace and poise. Merkel is a drudge, and her resemblance to Adolf Hitler in both appearance, and her ambition for Germanys place in Europe is frankly disturbing!
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I'm glad at least you enjoyed the book, even if we can't agree on how won the war was before the USA became involved.

Regarding Merkel, when was the last time you had your eyes tested? Thatcher whilst not a beauty, certainly had grace and poise. Merkel is a drudge, and her resemblance to Adolf Hitler in both appearance, and her ambition for Germanys place in Europe is frankly disturbing!
As far as my eyes are concerned, I can still spot an incoming Mourning Dove at more than 600 yards and still see the mint date on coins. I suggest you try using your eyes rather than your feelings to see the world around you.

Yes, Thatcher had class, poise and grace. She was a close confidant of Reagan and she was by all accounts and actions a true conservative. I thought her articulate manner and political views made her a beautiful person. Merkel may very well be a drudge. None of which changes my opinion that Merkel in outward appearance looks like a poorly groomed sister of Thatcher.

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No, I just don't see it. For a start, Thatcher has a much more pointed nose, her eyes are wide and bright, whereas Merkel has piggy eyes. Thatcher stood aloof, tall, proud, she had bearing. Merkel slouches. These aren't just matters of grooming. There may be a slight similarity in the shape of the cheeks and chin, but that is about it. I think once again, your problem is in perception if your eyesight doesn't trouble you.
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We're Englishmen, and we came here, to rape your women and drink your beer.

I went back in time and voted for Hitler.


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