Creating realistic fake rape scenes

[LustAndLuxury]

... ok, let's not argue about the paradox of this thread.

I want to share the fact that maybe, the main difficulty to come up with a great rape scene is most apparent when it's a 1-on-1 situation. Basically, how could we create a movie where even the 1-on-1 rape scene involving two grown adults looks realistic ?

I have no documentation to back up what I am about to say, but my view is (keep in mind that this is related to fake rape) :

IN A MOVIE :

1. An adult woman being raped by one rapist will probably try and fend off her attacker. So unless the rapist knocks her off real good, there's a chance that he might simply lose the battle out of sheer frustration and lack of stamina.

Possible solution : To avoid this "biased" situation, we would need a very young looking actress that has this naive and scared look painted on her face which will help make a believable rape scene. Even though she doesn't struggle that much, it can be understood by the obvious lack of experience and "childish" fear. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT A KID!

2. An adult woman raped by multiple rapists won't be able to fend off against pure brute force and even though she ain't good at acting, she'll truly be in an overpowered situation. However, this actress needs endurance to pull through the ordeal. It must leave it's mark emotionally I guess.

If I were to be the raped victim, I would probably ask for multiple offenders, or the use of drugs/alcohol or to be "knocked out" good. Else, in my adult mind, I'd fend off a lone attacker so much that the rape wouldn't actually happen or the guy would simply kill me and be done with it... useless flick ! And that is to imply that I'd have enough endurance to go through it all... which I really doubt it.

Again, we're talking about creating realistic fake rape scenes. From what I saw so far, it seems very difficult to come up with barely legal material.

(Shit, I'm a sick fuck human being)

[HeatherK]

The line between acting and reality has always interested me. The job of the actor is to play a scene and make it look as realistic as possible - on the other side its still acting and not reality but to what extent in a scene and if an actor is so in-character does the boundary get crossed?

In the acting world there is the approach of so called Method Acting where the actor tries to get as much into the character as possible to the extent that somehow what you see is a natural reaction rather than acted.

Ultimately the actor always knows what scene he/she will act and its a controlled environment. Typically a scene is repeated through rehearsal many a time.

A rape scene is always going to be challenging for both the actress and actor- often more for the actor. It requires physical as well as emotional acting. A good fight director can make the physical look real through various techniques but to get the emotions right the actress needs to break out of the controlled environment to project as natural reaction as possible.

Some directors add unscripted elements to a scene sometimes to trigger a more natural reaction - something unexpected can bring that extra reaction. For a rape scene there are many things that could be added to trigger fear, shock, even discomfort as far as that can be done in a professional production.

Interesting to read on line interviews of both actors and actresses who have done rape scenes.

[auburness]

I don't care how its done... I'd just like to see more REAL-ish fantasy films!! I want to be right in the middle of rubbin one out, stop and think, "Is this real? Should I be watching this, or calling the cops!?" LOL. More films like that, and I would be a happy girl!

[phtlc]

ltimately the key differentiator is acting. Some of the hottest rape scenes I have seen in movies actually showed very little, but the facial expressions and body language of the female actress left no doubt as to what she was experiencing. Most rape porn is so poorly acted it is almost comical.

[pervipete]

The thing is, in a lot of rapes the woman is too frightened or shocked to fight back fully, so showing that and making it look convincing and not cliched would pose problems

[Darksyde]

Originally Posted by pervipete

The thing is, in a lot of rapes the woman is too frightened or shocked to fight back fully, so showing that and making it look convincing and not cliched would pose problems

The ability to cry convincingly goes a long way in pulling that off. Most of the crying and whimpering in rape porn vids is pathetically unconvincing. I could more easily forgive a less realistic-looking physical struggle if the actress could do a better job of sobbing and bawling!

[dickbiggers]

Don't forget that if you're the director, you're calling the shots. So maybe he takes her out with one well placed slap across the jaw. That's very plausible. One flush shot could very well scramble her eggs for quite a few minutes and give him the time he needs to take control. He doesn't necessarily have to beat her to a pulp to be believable. Simply using nature's physiological truths to your advantage, you can very well have him absorb a dozen hits from her while laying her down with one single good one. For the most part, men are simply stronger than women. In a 'fair' fight where there is little worry about being interrupted or detained, a man will win most struggles against a woman.

If you're still concerned about it, then create physical disadvantages for your female actors...i.e. use petite women and large men. I'm sure many of us have wrestled with girlfriends or partners and were surprised at how easily they were pinned or overpowered. If you have a large 6'2" attacker versus a petite 5'3" victim, the action will be much more believable using much less violence.

You have to have at least a moderate degree of physical intimidation if not actual violence. The whole "she was so scared she did what she was told" routine is convenient, but it does not make for very believable rape-porn...as half the shitty Russian crap out there uses just this very scenario. Like Pervipete says above, its very difficult to make it look realistic. I'd much rather see some goon roughly pawing some kitten before mashing her into the carpet than to see some giggling waitress make unhappy faces at some skinny Russian punk's little weiner, any day of the week.

[FuckingRotter]

One on one, could be made to look convincing if the rapist is ridicously huge compared to the victim. Fighting back just isn't going to get her anywhere. Perhaps the way ahead is instead of making a rape video, you're filming a real life role play? I reckon I'd make a convincing rapist simply because no holds are barred to having my way.

[dickbiggers]

Originally Posted by FuckingRotter

One on one, could be made to look convincing if the rapist is ridicously huge compared to the victim. Fighting back just isn't going to get her anywhere. Perhaps the way ahead is instead of making a rape video, you're filming a real life role play? I reckon I'd make a convincing rapist simply because no holds are barred to having my way.

The rapist doesn't need to be ridiculously huge, although I do like that pairing. Its a simple case of human physiology. As a man, you are 'thicker' and denser even compared to a woman who is nearly the same height and weight as you. Your muscle mass is much denser and your frame more broad. Granted, that doesn't take into account if you're frail or just a weakling, but "pound for pound" as they say in boxing, a man is much stronger than a woman, and that's even before you start giving away 4-6 inches and 50 pounds from victim to rapist. So a man barely even 6 foot tall and 180 pounds is 40-50% more powerful than a woman who is 5-3 or 5-4 and weighs 125. It's not even a contest. If he can avoid a vase or candlestick across the skull, he will win every time.

As for filming a real life role play instead of a rape video, the key to truly great film making is merging the two seamlessly. Ultimately, every rape video is a taped role play, so you've already covered that base. The real trick is to have the victim give enough fight to convince the viewer while unnoticeably going along with the rapists coaxing to enable his conquest more easily. Let her fight ferociously but still have her allow herself to be taken to the floor. Let her squirm and kick but still allow him to line himself up to enter her.

I am appalled that no good rape porn is out there. Tons and tons of Euro shit with skinny punks and giggling girls, but almost nothing in the way of convincing rape scenes. If I had the money and the legal connections, I would love to produce some real high quality rape porn. I don't know shit about film making, but I know what a good scene is supposed to look like.

[Morbinnie]

one unrealistic aspect of most rape clips is the nudity of the rapists. They rarely do something else than get their dicks out, for practical and psychological reasons. and is very likely they get rid of this girl footwear (avoid get kicked in the nuts!!!) and their breast un-covered. blowjob is also rare and positions where the girl is top are very rare too (even when her life is on the line).

hope it helps

[FuckingRotter]

Dickbiggers, I disagree on the video being a taped role play. The rape vids I have seen are not. They're dramatisations of rape. Huge difference between that and a role play where the participants actually immerse themselves in the act of rape.

The difference is going to be in the head space of the participants. The actors in the film want to make it (sort of) look like rape. The role players want to make it feel like rape, possibly there could be a part of one or both of them that actually wishes it were rape.

I know which I'd find more convincing to watch.

[FuckingRotter]

Anyway, slight digression. In a rape film, who is the star, the victim or the rapist?

[dickbiggers]

Originally Posted by FuckingRotter

Anyway, slight digression. In a rape film, who is the star, the victim or the rapist?

The victim is the star. The rapist is the hero. She's the star because she's the one who will either sell the film or expose it for shit. All he has to do is leer, grope and fuck. She has all the hard work to do.

[FuckingRotter]

The rapist has all the work to do. The victim just has to keep still and take it like a good girl. If she knows what's best for her that is!

[menace]

Rapist not putting his weapon away mid-film also helps.

[LIDM99810]

Originally Posted by FuckingRotter

The rapist has all the work to do. The victim just has to keep still and take it like a good girl. If she knows what's best for her that is!

Correct.

[FuckingRotter]

Sit there whilst I put this gun in your safe dear. What's the combination by the way?

Originally Posted by menace

Rapist not putting his weapon away mid-film also helps.

[pervipete]

Originally Posted by FuckingRotter

Dickbiggers, I disagree on the video being a taped role play. The rape vids I have seen are not. They're dramatisations of rape. Huge difference between that and a role play where the participants actually immerse themselves in the act of rape.

The difference is going to be in the head space of the participants. The actors in the film want to make it (sort of) look like rape. The role players want to make it feel like rape, possibly there could be a part of one or both of them that actually wishes it were rape.

I know which I'd find more convincing to watch.

I agree, plus there is another difference, in a porno they are largely fucking to earn a pay check, whereas in a role play they are fucking cause they want to fuck

[FuckingRotter]

Or being fucked inspite of not wanting to be fucked?

Yes, that reads like rape. Put yourself in the shoes of a rape role play victim. Why is she there? Because she wants to play a game? Or because she wants to be taken against her will, but know that in the end she will be safe? Looked after if that is what she needs? Or ultimately have all choice removed and yet somehow her survival is guaranteed?

[pervipete]

I agree FR, which unless the woman can act worthy of Bette Davis, and if she could she probably wouldn't be doing a porn film, would be damn near impossible in a porn, where they are as worried about getting a camera angle as looking like she is being give a damn good raping.

I suppose you could rig up a hidden camcorder or two, have the role play start at a random moment so at least you get a look of shook on her face.