Molested In The Subway

[Beardy]

I’ve always hated men who touch women in the subway. For me it’s really disgusting. I have suffered these men since I was a teenager.
But today I’ve had a horny experience that later I was ashamed of, but it also excites me. Let me tell it to you.
I was in a crowded subway wagon in the afternoon after work. It was hardly running because something was wrong, so we stopped for a long time in every station and everybody was getting fed up about it.
Suddenly, I felt a hand in my bottom. I didn’t pay attention, because the wagon was really crowded and I thought it was unintentional. But the hand kept on it and I felt how it was caressing softly my butts. It had been years since I had been molested the last time, so I didn’t react quickly. I didn’t even look at my molester.
Then, a thought came to my mind as a flash: “A man is touching me, he is abusing me without my consent. But I like it. I’m getting excited”
I was getting excited by the situation! I stood still, so the man could touch me.
In the next station a lot of people went in and out, so the man stopped touching me. But after a few seconds I felt it again. This time the hand was caressing my bottom not so softly. I became more excited, thinking that I was being violated.
This touching lasted until I went down on my station.
When I left the subway I felt ashamed of getting excited by that situation. I know many women, including me, have been molested in the subway and it’s wrong not having accused that man of being a perverted. But I couldn’t help getting excited. So I think about it I feel a mix of shame and excitement.
I would like to know what you think about it. Please feel free to answer anything you like. I will appreciate every feedback.

[italianguy]

In deed, I also know the difference between reality and fantasy:
Real rape is for losers, fantasy rape is for winners who like to enjoy the pleasures of life.

Do you recognize it? You wrote that in your presentation post.

Loser.

[somedude]

Originally Posted by italianguy

Do you recognize it? You wrote that in your presentation post.

Loser.

Bad bad italianguy! You've been warned about this kind of behavior...so now you get a week to think about it! One Week Ban For Personal Insult Outside of the Rowdy Room!

[Night.Bane]

Originally Posted by Beardy

I’ve always hated men who touch women in the subway. For me it’s really disgusting. I have suffered these men since I was a teenager.
But today I’ve had a horny experience that later I was ashamed of, but it also excites me. Let me tell it to you.
I was in a crowded subway wagon in the afternoon after work. It was hardly running because something was wrong, so we stopped for a long time in every station and everybody was getting fed up about it.
Suddenly, I felt a hand in my bottom. I didn’t pay attention, because the wagon was really crowded and I thought it was unintentional. But the hand kept on it and I felt how it was caressing softly my butts. It had been years since I had been molested the last time, so I didn’t react quickly. I didn’t even look at my molester.
Then, a thought came to my mind as a flash: “A man is touching me, he is abusing me without my consent. But I like it. I’m getting excited”
I was getting excited by the situation! I stood still, so the man could touch me.
In the next station a lot of people went in and out, so the man stopped touching me. But after a few seconds I felt it again. This time the hand was caressing my bottom not so softly. I became more excited, thinking that I was being violated.
This touching lasted until I went down on my station.
When I left the subway I felt ashamed of getting excited by that situation. I know many women, including me, have been molested in the subway and it’s wrong not having accused that man of being a perverted. But I couldn’t help getting excited. So I think about it I feel a mix of shame and excitement.
I would like to know what you think about it. Please feel free to answer anything you like. I will appreciate every feedback.

The Japanese are all about this--they even have a term for it, Enjo Kosai.

Of course, I'd never do this on a subway (tube, train, railcar, whatever your local term) but the idea of it is kind of hot. For you, knowing so many people were around, aware that it would go no further than groping, I don't think its so horrible of you to have gotten an elicit thrill out of it.

The idea that you let it go on is more than a little hot, too--although I'm not exactly sure what kind of message that sends.

It's your story--assuming its true, I'm aroused by the idea that you consciously let it go on. (I'm really trying to thread the needle here...)

If the hands strayed up, stroking your side and slowly angling up and around to your breasts, would you have allowed it?

[ezzdx]

I'm sorry for you,Beadry.but in the next time you should take off your shoes and hit his head by it!

if you would do this you will make the other men who near notice this and they will "if any of them has some magnanimity" catch him and hit him or send him to the cops,honestly I don't hesitate to do this to the guys who like to do this.
the real man don't molest women in any place.

[italianguy]

ezzdx so you justify violence against men (in this case in the form of private justice) but not violence against women.

You don't even only justify violence against men, you are PROUD to do violence against men.

And you define masculinity on the base of the female judgment "the real man don't molest women in any place".

Do you know that you are a feminist? And not a macho man as you believe.

You are a female slave but you really think that it makes you cool. Poor little boy, you are a brainwashed puppet.

And please stop doing the punisher males in the name of Goddess Vulva. In a rape forum it's just hilarious.

[ezzdx]

Originally Posted by italianguy

ezzdx so you justify violence against men (in this case in the form of private justice) but not violence against women.

You don't even only justify violence against men, you are PROUD to do violence against men.

Surely not against all men but the dirty men who molesting the women,I see the dirty things like molesting doesn't go with the manhood because the manhood "in my mind" has a strong relation with the magnanimity,chivalry,nobility and sacrifice.

and surely the molester hasn't any of those things,so this dirty kind of men should be punished by the strong magnanimous men who I proud to be one of them.

Originally Posted by italianguy

And you define masculinity on the base of the female judgment "the real man don't molest women in any place".

Are this by the Italian language.

Originally Posted by italianguy

Do you know that you are a feminist? And not a macho man as you believe.

Really!
Being a macho guy it's about having strong big or moderate muscles,it hasn't relation with your view about women and their rights,and I don't need to repeat that I'm a macho,believe this or not this won't change any thing.

and you can't be a feminist without being aware of that,I'm not feminist because I don't think the women must be the same with men,but I respect the women and belive that they should get equal rights with men in many things but not all things,and I don't like to take a thing isn't mine without asking the owner of it,and the woman has the right to give her body to what she want not to be forced for this.

but I see you think the real man should moleste,rape and hit the women,also I think that you hasn't problem to molest the women in the real life,and for this you hate the men like me who usually punish you,and the most cops are like to give the molesters a special treatment,I bet you has been kicked many times for that.

Originally Posted by italianguy

And please stop doing the punisher males in the name of Goddess Vulva. In a rape forum it's just hilarious.

No I won't stop,and I don't know any Goddess,and this forum is for fantasy only.
you chosen the wrong guy to play with,but I see you are banned,oh poor little boy,so see you after a week,I'll wait you.

[somedude]

italianguy was banned for a personal insult and repeated trolling behavior! Your own behavior hasn't been particularly good lately ezzdx! Take some advice and stop turning so many threads into fights. We have a Rowdy Room...USE IT!

[Night.Bane]

Originally Posted by ezzdx

Surely not against all men but the dirty men who molesting the women,I see the dirty things like molesting doesn't go with the manhood because the manhood "in my mind" has a strong relation with the magnanimity,chivalry,nobility and sacrifice.

and surely the molester hasn't any of those things,so this dirty kind of men should be punished by the strong magnanimous men who I proud to be one of them.

Respectfully, if she let the guy touch her bottom, rubbing his hands around and squeezing it on a crowded railcar without resisting, you'd have no reason to think she was being molested and therefore have no reason to intervene on her behalf. For all you know, they could be a couple pretending not to know each other (it's happened before).

Now, if she's obviously struggling, trying to stop him, etc. that's an entirely different situation.

It does raise an interesting question though--if Beardy knew it was happening, got a shameful thrill out of it but chose not to acknowledge it, not to even look his way but instead permit his hands to explore her bottom, getting bolder the longer she allowed it, was she actually violated? It seems she got exactly what she wanted--shameful excitement.

[Beardy]

Originally Posted by Night.Bane

It's your story--assuming its true, I'm aroused by the idea that you consciously let it go on. (I'm really trying to thread the needle here...)

If the hands strayed up, stroking your side and slowly angling up and around to your breasts, would you have allowed it?

I wouldn´t. I let it go on maybe because noone realise what was happening.

[Jennevieve]

Originally Posted by Night.Bane

The Japanese are all about this--they even have a term for it, Enjo Kosai.

*drives face into wall*

Enjo-kosai is compensated dating, not being molested on subways

Furthermore, there are no sexual harassment laws in Japan, and subway molestation is a gigantic problem. If you yell for help, even in the middle of a large crowd of people, you aren't likely to get it. People on this board should be ashamed for advocating this as a fantasy thing, because largely, it isn't, it's a real problem. Most people here who are advocating it tend to be pretty good about not letting people get away with condoning real rape, so I assume this stems from a lack of cultural knowledge.

Please know what the fuck you're talking about before you say things.

(Note: I'm talking about Japan here. America, it's still a problem, but MUCH less so. Obviously go for it if you're fantasizing as far as this goes -- I also feel like it'd be pretty exciting, to be honest. But this is fantasy. My indignation is with the people who are calling a real problem hot. "The Japanese are all about this"? Please.)

[italianguy]

Originally Posted by Jennevieve

Furthermore, there are no sexual harassment laws in Japan, and subway molestation is a gigantic problem.

Women like in the occidental world are overly protected by laws, in fact in Japan a man accused of groping has a 99.9% conviction rate in the criminal courts and this crime is punished with very harsh sentences (a maximum of 7 years of imprisonment).

See the wikipedia article about the 99.9% conviciton rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikan_(body_contact) and the 2 articles used as a reference for this affirmation in the article.

As in every occidental legislation a man that touches a woman's bottom has a harsher verdict than a woman that castrates a man.

There is a giant business of women (usually run by the local mafia) that blackmail passengers for money or they will report them for groping.

So please stop with this "law doesn't protect the women" bullshit.

PS: I forgot to call you feminist, so I will do it now. Feminist.

[star67]

Originally Posted by italianguy

Women like in the occidental world are overly protected by laws

See the wikipedia article about the 99.9% conviciton rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikan_(body_contact) and the 2 articles used as a reference for this affirmation in the article.

a) bullshit
b) did you read the NEXT LINE about the study that explains the conviction rate as not being a product of pro-conviction bias?

what am i talking about? of course you didn't. and please, call me a feminist, i will take it as a compliment.

moving on: i went to japan this and last summer for weeks, travelled around on trains during peak hours and when it was quiet, and i never saw anyone being groped. was i just lucky? or is it not as huge an epidemic as the western media would like you to believe?

don't get me wrong, i'm not a fan of the japanese by any stretch (being chinese) ... but i'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[italianguy]

Originally Posted by star67

a) bullshit
b) did you read the NEXT LINE about the study that explains the conviction rate as not being a product of pro-conviction bias?

what am i talking about? of course you didn't. and please, call me a feminist, i will take it as a compliment.

That line does not "explain" why the conviction rate is so high but say that there is ONE study that suggests this.

Did you read that study? I didn't because it costs 14$ just to read it. Why do I ask, of course you didn't.

Blackmailing for false groping is a serious concern please don't discard men's right as bullshit cause you are a man and you can find yourself in this situation and because as a human being you deserve the same rights as every other person.

[SugarT]

Originally Posted by star67

a) bullshit
b) did you read the NEXT LINE about the study that explains the conviction rate as not being a product of pro-conviction bias?

what am i talking about? of course you didn't. and please, call me a feminist, i will take it as a compliment.

moving on: i went to japan this and last summer for weeks, travelled around on trains during peak hours and when it was quiet, and i never saw anyone being groped. was i just lucky? or is it not as huge an epidemic as the western media would like you to believe?

don't get me wrong, i'm not a fan of the japanese by any stretch (being chinese) ... but i'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Hi Star67 can't PM you so I would just like to say Hi, and ask where you are from I really Like your Avatar it was soooo hot for Grace park to play a rape victim in Battlestar! PM me if you like.

[touriquet2001]

Originally Posted by italianguy

Women like in the occidental world are overly protected by laws, in fact in Japan a man accused of groping has a 99.9% conviction rate in the criminal courts and this crime is punished with very harsh sentences (a maximum of 7 years of imprisonment).

See the wikipedia article about the 99.9% conviciton rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikan_(body_contact) and the 2 articles used as a reference for this affirmation in the article.

As in every occidental legislation a man that touches a woman's bottom has a harsher verdict than a woman that castrates a man.

There is a giant business of women (usually run by the local mafia) that blackmail passengers for money or they will report them for groping.

So please stop with this "law doesn't protect the women" bullshit.

PS: I forgot to call you feminist, so I will do it now. Feminist.

i realize the law ,(and women), treat you badly . but i would think this would be getting old for even you .

[Jennevieve]

Originally Posted by italianguy

Women like in the occidental world are overly protected by laws, in fact in Japan a man accused of groping has a 99.9% conviction rate in the criminal courts and this crime is punished with very harsh sentences (a maximum of 7 years of imprisonment).

See the wikipedia article about the 99.9% conviciton rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikan_(body_contact) and the 2 articles used as a reference for this affirmation in the article.

As in every occidental legislation a man that touches a woman's bottom has a harsher verdict than a woman that castrates a man.

There is a giant business of women (usually run by the local mafia) that blackmail passengers for money or they will report them for groping.

So please stop with this "law doesn't protect the women" bullshit.

PS: I forgot to call you feminist, so I will do it now. Feminist.

Woaahhhh you're being a fucking dickhead, aren't you. (EDIT: Just noticed your negative 89 reputation... nevermind, I'm not upset anymore.)

First of all, I'm not a feminist. In any sense of the word. That's the first time I've been accused of that (usually get accused of being a chauvinist).. And secondly, what the fuck are you doing flinging that around as an insult? That's fucking retarded. Feminists believe in the general advancement of women, and I have my own issues with the feminist-extremist movement (as do most women, it turns out) which prevent me from self-identifying as such, but it's ridiculous that you'd be using "feminist" as an insult. I believe the word you're looking for is "feminazi."

I never fucking said there's no law against groping, I said there's no law about SEXUAL HARASSMENT, so maybe you should learn to fucking read before you start flinging insults left and right. And it *IS* a fact that train molestation isn't stopped at the time of the assault, almost ever. I never said a word about the conviction rate.

Also, wow. Wikipedia. Your powers of research amaze me. What an irrefutably solid source of information.

[MarcEdeSade]

Too far? Pah. If a fantasy can become reality....and it works for you...pushes the right buttons...

Hooray!

[MARADONA]

Beardy yeah this is the classic kind of "japanese molestation" eh eh
more than one time i have got fantasies about something like that....yeah
but even if i will like to molest an hot girl in this way i will never do it....
.....like the most of the users of this board i just like fantasies..the reality is another thing....in fact i hate rapists with all myself...i'm weird i know! but it's the truth!
btw...i really liked your story!

[taboolover]

Must be tough situation for females. But what if it's reversed, the female is the perpetrator? Once when I was younger, a girl passed by and I felt a pinch on my bottom. when she walked away faster and was laughing about it to a couple of her girl friends.

I felt mix of aroused and ridiculed at same time. Very confusing.