Change policies, not states - Rape Board

OSfollower · 12-17-2006, 03:32 AM

The differences between the US occupation of Japan and Iraq are suggestive. The US fought Japan in exhausting war and had every reason to hate its government. Democratic America detested Japanese monarchy. The Western Christians were xenophobic about very strange customs of the Japanese. Yet the US was wise to change none of that.

America strengthened the very Japanese institutions that underpinned the war, and only eliminated Japanese army, the direct threat. Then the US used those institutions to change the Japanese outlook from within. The mid-term result was hugely successful: Japanese ambitions were channeled in the economy, and the economy directed outward. The long-term change in mentality is unlikely, and Japanese imperialism would re-surface, reinforced by economic successes. Hardly any policy, however, could provide more than mid-term results.

Contrast the American policy in Iraq. The US destroyed the institutions such as the strong government and police which cemented the multi-ethnic religiously diverse Iraq. Reforming a failed state is impossible; only strong states survive the reforms. America made the situation still worse by directly enforcing the law and pushing for the unwelcome political changes like democracy and Westernization. No people would accept new ideology force-fed to them by hostile outsider. They will fight or, at best, remain contemptuously passive. Once the occupation force withdraws, locals will run for the golden old values in their most extreme form. Population will firmly connect the resistance fighters with idealized old values, and elect them to power.

America could follow the Japan example in nuclear Egypt, Iran, and North Korea. All of them still have strong security apparatus and reasonably conformant population. America may concur their capitals, install acceptable rulers without damaging the security framework of the countries, and have the new rulers brainwash their citizens with local variety of the Western ideology, from schools to mass media. Ataturk was almost alone when he started secularizing Turkey. Totalitarian governments plus the Western ideology could solve the problem of nuclear rogue states.

somedude · 12-17-2006, 04:57 AM

Nuclear Egypt? Last time I checked Eqypt had no nuclear weapons and was a close US ally in the middle east. Can't even figure out why you signed up just to post this bunch of drivel!

Rheostatic · 12-19-2006, 10:53 AM

Interesting first post for a discussion board on rape.

12-19-2006, 12:45 PM

Hmm i know this is the idle talk section but hell.....

Can anyone find him a politics board or something??

Andering REDDSON · 01-06-2007, 08:13 PM

Uh huh... When you get a clue what is REALLY going on there, then speak.

In the mean time, shut the fuck up.

Number7 · 01-06-2007, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andering REDDSON

Uh huh... When you get a clue what is REALLY going on there, then speak.

In the mean time, shut the fuck up.

Don't flame members outside the areas that allow it.

Sodoman · 01-07-2007, 12:54 AM

DAMN, even Andy is dropping bombs on this thread?

Andering REDDSON · 01-07-2007, 08:11 PM

Â¿That’s a bomb? That’s not even a firecracker… Not even one of those balls you get in Chinatown, you smack ‘em together and they make a crack… Move it to Rowdy Room, THEN you’ll see “bombs.”

12-17-2006, 03:32 AM	#1
OSfollower Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1 Reputation: 16	Change policies, not states The differences between the US occupation of Japan and Iraq are suggestive. The US fought Japan in exhausting war and had every reason to hate its government. Democratic America detested Japanese monarchy. The Western Christians were xenophobic about very strange customs of the Japanese. Yet the US was wise to change none of that. America strengthened the very Japanese institutions that underpinned the war, and only eliminated Japanese army, the direct threat. Then the US used those institutions to change the Japanese outlook from within. The mid-term result was hugely successful: Japanese ambitions were channeled in the economy, and the economy directed outward. The long-term change in mentality is unlikely, and Japanese imperialism would re-surface, reinforced by economic successes. Hardly any policy, however, could provide more than mid-term results. Contrast the American policy in Iraq. The US destroyed the institutions such as the strong government and police which cemented the multi-ethnic religiously diverse Iraq. Reforming a failed state is impossible; only strong states survive the reforms. America made the situation still worse by directly enforcing the law and pushing for the unwelcome political changes like democracy and Westernization. No people would accept new ideology force-fed to them by hostile outsider. They will fight or, at best, remain contemptuously passive. Once the occupation force withdraws, locals will run for the golden old values in their most extreme form. Population will firmly connect the resistance fighters with idealized old values, and elect them to power. America could follow the Japan example in nuclear Egypt, Iran, and North Korea. All of them still have strong security apparatus and reasonably conformant population. America may concur their capitals, install acceptable rulers without damaging the security framework of the countries, and have the new rulers brainwash their citizens with local variety of the Western ideology, from schools to mass media. Ataturk was almost alone when he started secularizing Turkey. Totalitarian governments plus the Western ideology could solve the problem of nuclear rogue states.

12-17-2006, 04:57 AM	#2
somedude W.I.R. and Marshal Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Way out West!!!! Posts: 8,566 Reputation: 124981	Nuclear Egypt? Last time I checked Eqypt had no nuclear weapons and was a close US ally in the middle east. Can't even figure out why you signed up just to post this bunch of drivel! __________________ I'm a pervert and proud of it!

12-19-2006, 10:53 AM	#3
Rheostatic Rape Board Chancellor Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southern Ontario, Canada Posts: 409 Reputation: 768	Interesting first post for a discussion board on rape. __________________ In Somnium, Veritas

01-07-2007, 12:54 AM	#7
Sodoman Backdoor Bandit Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: U.S. Posts: 2,144 Reputation: 28425	DAMN, even Andy is dropping bombs on this thread? __________________ "The mind is a beautiful thing to fuck."

12-19-2006, 12:45 PM	#4
clan_hunter Guest Posts: n/a	Hmm i know this is the idle talk section but hell..... Can anyone find him a politics board or something??

01-06-2007, 08:13 PM	#5
Andering REDDSON Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: R/Bâ€™s cyber-Auschwitz Posts: 609 Reputation: 1028	Uh huh... When you get a clue what is REALLY going on there, then speak. In the mean time, shut the fuck up.

01-07-2007, 08:11 PM	#8
Andering REDDSON Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: R/Bâ€™s cyber-Auschwitz Posts: 609 Reputation: 1028	Â¿That’s a bomb? That’s not even a firecracker… Not even one of those balls you get in Chinatown, you smack ‘em together and they make a crack… Move it to Rowdy Room, THEN you’ll see “bombs.”