What's your say on asstr ?

[jack-the-ripa]

Alright, I'm not gonna give a link, so just Yahoo! or Google the term "asstr" and you'll find the site. was just wondering what's your view about it... (?)

[RapeU]

It's one of if not the best sites to find various adult stories.

[Emily Johnson]

It is a great site. There is no censorship there, and they are dedicated to freedom of speech.

[jack-the-ripa]

I wonder why it hasn't been shut down by now. There's pedo out there...

[Emily Johnson]

Originally Posted by jack-the-ripa

I wonder why it hasn't been shut down by now. There's pedo out there...

Yes, it does include pedo, but NOT illegal child pornography.

Illegal child porn requires the exploitation and abuse of REAL children, not fantasy ones.

And guess what?

Fantasizing about rape does not make you a rapist!
And it takes more than just fantasy to make someone a child molester.

Pedo is not my thing, but it seems to me that saying someone is sick for fantasizing about pedo, torture, or violent sex, while fantasizing about rape, is a little odd. To much finger-pointing and splitting hairs for me.

[jack-the-ripa]

Originally Posted by Emily Johnson

Fantasizing about rape does not make you a rapist!
And it takes more than just fantasy to make someone a child molester.

Pedo is not my thing, but it seems to me that saying someone is sick for fantasizing about pedo, torture, or violent sex, while fantasizing about rape, is a little odd. To much finger-pointing and splitting hairs for me.

Now's my turn to say GO GIRL !

What's more, in the middle ages at 18 girls used to be considered a bit old for marriage. At 18 girls used to have at least one baby and most used to marry at 14-15... Marrying at 12 wasn't considered too much of an unussual thing back then. And hey, weren't the medieval times the period when some of the greatest phylosophical and cultural books were written?

[Joanna]

Originally Posted by Emily Johnson

Yes, it does include pedo, but NOT illegal child pornography.

Illegal child porn requires the exploitation and abuse of REAL children, not fantasy ones.

And guess what?

Fantasizing about rape does not make you a rapist!
And it takes more than just fantasy to make someone a child molester.

Pedo is not my thing, but it seems to me that saying someone is sick for fantasizing about pedo, torture, or violent sex, while fantasizing about rape, is a little odd. To much finger-pointing and splitting hairs for me.

thats questionable since it could be argued that by nature most men are rapists and its the evoloution of moral values that enable humans to overcome their base nature and base desires.

but yes your right its possible to fantasize about being a rapist without wanting to do the act or be a rapist for real .

and yes it could be argued that its possible to fantasize about being a child molester without actually being one.

it can also be argued that all the fetishes on this site would be seen as sick by "squares"

But that argument ignores the fact that the act of being sexually attracted to children and being a pedophile is considered the sickest of sick things in itself.
Even in prisons that are full of evil people and were the general population accepts murderers and rapists the pedo is still hated and looked down on and killing one makes a person a hero.

yes its possible to fantasize about being a child molester without being a molester it isn't possible to have fantasies about having sex with children without being a for real pedophile though.

And pedos will just have to accept that even in places were other forms of lowness might be considered acceptable the pedo will always be seen as the lowest and most hated form of life.
Because when it comes down to it pedos wish to defile what most want to protect (children) .
And thats a emotional reaction so theres no amount of logic based arguments or defences that are going to change that.

[theman]

It's my personal view (and yes, I realize that means it may not be shared by others, and I would assume that means you Mr. Jack-The-Ripa), that people should be able to write what ever they want (well I don't like slander, but I mean like fantasy/story wise).

I'm not a fan of 8 years old getting raped or 96 year olds being made to eat shit (or anyone eating shit for that matter), but I respect other people's right to write about that.

Just for the record, I do, however, agree with child pornography laws. That stuff is fucked up. Basically freedom of [honest/creative] speech I entirely support, but freedom of action is another thing.... A semi-big issue is decided whether or not too free of speech can influence actions....

[jack-the-ripa]

Originally Posted by theman

It's my personal view (and yes, I realize that means it may not be shared by others, and I would assume that means you Mr. Jack-The-Ripa), that people should be able to write what ever they want (well I don't like slander, but I mean like fantasy/story wise).

What?! Not sharing your opininion?! Are you kidding, Mr. Theman? I've been fighting for free speech rights on the internet for more than a year. I totally agree with you. I said that pedo prejudice crap just to instigate Mr. MADDOGMCMANAMAN who is a real stickler when it comes to that subject.

[Becka]

Originally Posted by jack-the-ripa

What?! Not sharing your opininion?! Are you kidding, Mr. Theman? I've been fighting for free speech rights on the internet for more than a year. I totally agree with you. I said that pedo prejudice crap just to instigate Mr. MADDOGMCMANAMAN who is a real stickler when it comes to that subject.

I find it odd that you say you have been fighting for free speech rights on the internet for more than a year but then comment about MADDOGMCMANAMAN's opinions or more specifically his right to voice them. I would think your views on freedom of speech would cut both ways. At least thats the impression I got from the post.

B.

[MADDOGMCMANAMAN]

Originally Posted by jack-the-ripa

What?! Not sharing your opininion?! Are you kidding, Mr. Theman? I've been fighting for free speech rights on the internet for more than a year. I totally agree with you. I said that pedo prejudice crap just to instigate Mr. MADDOGMCMANAMAN who is a real stickler when it comes to that subject.

tut tut WACKO JACKO

y would u wanna instigate moi ??

it aint gonna happen lol give up the wet dream - u already know my views -

pedo = shanks+petrol - with no debate to be had

again i will repeat - no debate !

so please feel free to instigate as much as your heart desires, lol it makes no difference to me or to the way i will treat the first pedo unlucky enough to meet me !

i do not care about your views on my views.

[Joanna]

if its got sex with children on it or even stories about that then I would see it as sick.

[Ntense]

Originally Posted by Joanna

if its got sex with children on it or even stories about that then I would see it as sick.

I'll heartily agree with you regarding actual paedophilia, but at least here in the US we're usually allowed freedom of thought and speech, which includes uncomfortable topics. The US Supreme Court has fought that battle with ignorant politicians and idiot rednecks & conservatives repeatedly, and come to the conclusion that any fantasy is allowed, and some realities are illegal.

(looking up at the large RAPE BOARD logo) If I'm not mistaken, rape and non-consensual sex are also illegal, sick, disgusting, and improper dinner table material in most households. The SCAT and BEASTIE forums are even more so. To further muddy the waters, a friend is turned on by the "daddy / little girl" fantasies, and it takes some element of that to get her really going. I haven't hit *enlightenment* yet, so it still bothers the hell out of me, although I'm doing my damnedest to try to be supportive and understanding as a friend. It's crashing on the edge of my hardest limit, and it's an extremely unsettling topic for me, but I'll support her right to read / write / roleplay as she chooses AS LONG AS CONSENSUAL ADULTS are involved in real play.

Just a bit of grist for the mill...

[Joanna]

Originally Posted by Ntense

I'll heartily agree with you regarding actual paedophilia, but at least here in the US we're usually allowed freedom of thought and speech, which includes uncomfortable topics. The US Supreme Court has fought that battle with ignorant politicians and idiot rednecks & conservatives repeatedly, and come to the conclusion that any fantasy is allowed, and some realities are illegal.

(looking up at the large RAPE BOARD logo) If I'm not mistaken, rape and non-consensual sex are also illegal, sick, disgusting, and improper dinner table material in most households. The SCAT and BEASTIE forums are even more so. To further muddy the waters, a friend is turned on by the "daddy / little girl" fantasies, and it takes some element of that to get her really going. I haven't hit *enlightenment* yet, so it still bothers the hell out of me, although I'm doing my damnedest to try to be supportive and understanding as a friend. It's crashing on the edge of my hardest limit, and it's an extremely unsettling topic for me, but I'll support her right to read / write / roleplay as she chooses AS LONG AS CONSENSUAL ADULTS are involved in real play.

Just a bit of grist for the mill...

true what you say about rape ect also being illegal and sick in reality.

I guess the difference is that a fantasy rape can be RPed consensually as can bondage and scat.
scat grosses me out personally as do a lot of other fetishes but its because they are consensual while child sex can never be considered consensual.

I guess the same is true of beastality and I am kind of against that too but guess Animals will suffer from less future psychological effects.

I guess there is also some judgementality in it, see one can understand why rape fantasy is a turn on its quite natural for men to want to dominate and take sex when they want it and for women there can be something of a turn on about wanting to have choice and therefore responsibilty taken away when it comes to committing sex acts (at least in fantasy and principle if not in reality).
Until we became civilised enforced sex acts were common but people have higher and stronger moral standards now and more indepedence which is why we hate real rape because mankind has overcome its base nature.

But the desire to have sex with children is entirely unnatural even in human kinds basest time and even animals don't want sex with the very young and immature of their spieces.

So I guess that also plays a part in peoples negative reaction to the desire for sex with children and why even on a fetish site where every fetish here would be viewed as sick by mainstream society, child sex even on the fantasy level is viewed as sick.
Because its a totally unnatural desire to want to screw with the unformed and immature it seems more about wanting to take advantage of and wanting to defile and destroy innocence rather than about lust because there isn't anything understandable at all in feeling lustful desires towards immature unformed bodies its the most unnatural fetish of all fetishes.

since it seems to also be soley about a desire to defile innocence then it creates far more of a protective instinct in those who oppose it and dislike it.

As is the fact that such desires seem more dangerous since rape scat ect can all be played out knowingly and consensually and so it can be acknowledge that those who fantise about the act of rape for instance can be totally opposed to real rape and never want to commit or have that act happen for real at all.

So while its easy to see how someone can be a fantasy rapist while never wanting to be a real one and hating and being against the real act its pretty hard to imagine the same thing of a pedophile since to love the idea of sex with children means they are a real pedophile and are turned on by the real act of sex with children rather than just a fantasy version of it.

In short people hate rapists and pedos but its possible to be a fatasy rapist without ever becoming or desiring to be a real rapist, but its impossible to be anything other than a real one when it comes to being a pedophile.

Also the act of rape is hated because of its non consensual nature and the harm it causes to the victim not the desire itself ,the act of desiring or wanting sex with children is hated for the desire and thought itself

So, if I fantasize about raping a 15 year old, then I'm a sick motherfucker, but if I wait until she's 18 to fantasize about raping her, then that's okay?

[Joanna]

Originally Posted by cleanfun4all

So, if I fantasize about raping a 15 year old, then I'm a sick motherfucker, but if I wait until she's 18 to fantasize about raping her, then that's okay?

technically yes , now my post there is more a explantion of peoples reaction to sex including sex fantasy with underage people than a personal judgement or whatever .

Now you can make arguments along the lines of whats the difference between fantasizing about sex with a 15 year old and a 18 year old .
but that can be turned around and it can be asked if theres no difference then why is it even nessasary to fantasize about having sex with a 15 year old rather than with a 18 year old?

If one feels a need to fantasize about abusing a 15 or even worse still someone much younger then there is a difference isn't there?

I would venture then that it must have something to do with a desire to destroy or defile innocence younger equals more innocent.

you also have to take in that peoples reaction about pedophilla is emotion rather than logic based most moral values are.

its similar to if you ask dog lovers about dog eating in Asia we hate it and no amount of comparisons to eating pigs will change that.

its because we feel a emotional conection to dogs and so are naturally protective towards them .

its the same with pedophilla most people are emotionally protective towards children so they hate to see anyone abusing them even in fantasy pretty much in the same way that if a crush enthusiast were to write about crushing kittens animal lovers would hate them for it.

most morality is emotion rather than logic based even most wars are fought on emotion based beliefs even who gets defined as a terrorist or not is defined by beliefs based on emotions rather than by logic.

Now personally I have no maternal instincts at all if I see kids I just want to kick them ...(lol ok thats exageratted just a joke so the debate doesn't get way to heavy) but its true that I am not overly emotional about kids I just find it weird that people would feel sexually attracted to kids .

I can't really see why anyone would fantasize about having sex with a adult looking child why not just fantasize about a adult unless its really about wanting to destroy innocence which is just plain evil .

Of course it can be argued that rape fantasy is also evil but again it comes down to the fact that the fantasy about rape has a more "natural" feeling than one about children has .

see rape is actually natural before we became civilized it was normal that men would take sex if they could , men have evolved and become moral and so quell their natural instincts.

A desire to fuck children is unnatural and so its considered more freakish and illicits a stronger emotional ant reaction.

Also take into account that its natural that most people feel protective towards children so its emotionally natural that people especially those that are parents will have a very strong anti reaction towards those who are seen as desiring or even fantasizing about bringing harm to children.

[MADDOGMCMANAMAN]

Originally Posted by Joanna

true what you say about rape ect also being illegal and sick in reality.

I guess the difference is that a fantasy rape can be RPed consensually as can bondage and scat.
scat grosses me out personally as do a lot of other fetishes but its because they are consensual while child sex can never be considered consensual.

I guess the same is true of beastality and I am kind of against that too but guess Animals will suffer from less future psychological effects.

I guess there is also some judgementality in it, see one can understand why rape fantasy is a turn on its quite natural for men to want to dominate and take sex when they want it and for women there can be something of a turn on about wanting to have choice and therefore responsibilty taken away when it comes to committing sex acts (at least in fantasy and principle if not in reality).
Until we became civilised enforced sex acts were common but people have higher and stronger moral standards now and more indepedence which is why we hate real rape because mankind has overcome its base nature.

But the desire to have sex with children is entirely unnatural even in human kinds basest time and even animals don't want sex with the very young and immature of their spieces.

So I guess that also plays a part in peoples negative reaction to the desire for sex with children and why even on a fetish site where every fetish here would be viewed as sick by mainstream society, child sex even on the fantasy level is viewed as sick.
Because its a totally unnatural desire to want to screw with the unformed and immature it seems more about wanting to take advantage of and wanting to defile and destroy innocence rather than about lust because there isn't anything understandable at all in feeling lustful desires towards immature unformed bodies its the most unnatural fetish of all fetishes.

since it seems to also be soley about a desire to defile innocence then it creates far more of a protective instinct in those who oppose it and dislike it.

As is the fact that such desires seem more dangerous since rape scat ect can all be played out knowingly and consensually and so it can be acknowledge that those who fantise about the act of rape for instance can be totally opposed to real rape and never want to commit or have that act happen for real at all.

So while its easy to see how someone can be a fantasy rapist while never wanting to be a real one and hating and being against the real act its pretty hard to imagine the same thing of a pedophile since to love the idea of sex with children means they are a real pedophile and are turned on by the real act of sex with children rather than just a fantasy version of it.

In short people hate rapists and pedos but its possible to be a fatasy rapist without ever becoming or desiring to be a real rapist, but its impossible to be anything other than a real one when it comes to being a pedophile.

Also the act of rape is hated because of its non consensual nature and the harm it causes to the victim not the desire itself ,the act of desiring or wanting sex with children is hated for the desire and thought itself

go girl !!

[theman]

Oh lol..... I had just woken up and missed the sarcasm. Please forgive the slow moment ;p.

[Ntense]

Oh, I got side-tracked and forgot: yep, I'm damn glad it's not all going into the bit-bucket, and that the Alt.Sex.Stories Text Repository is archiving the naughty bits somewhere for us!

[touriquet2001]

um yeah kind of .... although the younger the age the more fucked up you are .... and the age thing if you were like 18 it wouldn't be near as bad , as say if you are 35 wanting to do it . just my personal outlook on it . like joanna said

Because its a totally unnatural desire to want to screw with the unformed and immature it seems more about wanting to take advantage of and wanting to defile and destroy innocence rather than about lust because there isn't anything understandable at all in feeling lustful desires towards immature unformed bodies its the most unnatural fetish of all fetishes.

for me i agree with that statement 100%