How to stop the deletions!

[Redeemteam]

Well, it appears as though the current deletions are having a large effect on the quality of the board.

As a long-time leecher, I haven't given back to this board fairly. However, as an accomplished networking and security expert, I do know a thing or two about how to set up a storage system, hide files, and come up with a safe method of distributing files.

First, let's consider the biggest antagonists to this board:

1.) Sites like this are targets of several law enforcement agencies. Whether we like it or not, there are a few people on this board who will actually do (illegally) the things that they enjoy in the posts. I, like most people here, would never rape or hurt a female, but there are a few bad apples who would and will probably do so here. Law enforcement agencies allow boards like this to exists so that they can monitor and figure out the membership. Therefore, I don't believe that a law enforcement agency is responsible for this.

2.) Is it some evangelist who just really has it in for the subject matter at hand? Not likely... Someone would have to dedicate time tantamount to a full-time job plus some to go through and report every link here. Usually, people don't do this.

3.) But there is one group of people who will spend the time necessary to do this: people who are losing business. This board has costs many, many sites a lot of money and there are more than a few rape sites that would love to see it closed down. Furthermore, these sites have little recourse. Government agencies are not going to come to the aid of rape sites. Copywright protection won't work for them. So, they've found another way. Find each post's link and report it to the different file hosters.

This strategy is working. It's discouraging posters from posting, new users from coming on the board, and furthermore, in the ultimate irony, may have actually turned this board into an excellent advertising and revenue pursuing medium. Here is why: many times, screencaps are posted from certain sites with the site name. Now users who cannot get the links from those screencaps may be inclined to go to the sites and pay them to avoid the hassle.

And the hassle is becoming evident.. increasing the post required post count to the point of excluding all but a few people will kill the board.. links only by PM will wear out the original posters, etc..

Now, here is my idea for a solution.

Why don't the administrators of this board do something that will really show these pays sites that they are for real! Why not contract out with a storage company in some country with lax guidelines. Offer members the right to make free uploads to the storage company. Charge for downloads from the storage company just as rapidshare and other filehosters do for premimum memberships.

This would be the best way to take the money directly out of the competitors hands and would be there worst nightmare.

Finally, give members the right to post links to traditional file hosting sites, but to also have there links posted in this boards own database. The administrators would make enough money to justify the effort while the competitors would be stopped in there tracks as they would be unable to do anything.

[Noir]

All the companies need to do is to ask the moderators and all the files they hold copyrights to will be deleted from this board. Even files from studios that do not exist anymore are being deleted and if it would actually be an actual company doing this they would lose a good part of their customers by using this kind of cheap methods.

Also even though I do not object the idea of sharing some files for free I really dislike the idea of paying to someone else than those who have manufactored the files and I have no intention of ever associating myself with that kind of business...

One more question. How much facts do you have to back up the claim of law enforcement monitoring these kind of sites?

[cfit]

I vote for #2!

Trust me. Religious groups and Moral-squads have LOTS of time on their hands! There are people who spend unpaid hours in front of the TV writing down all the "immoral filth" that is shown. There are also people who spend countless unpaid hours in front of the computer searching for pornography to report.
How do I know this? My brother USED to follow a Christian cult group that had "disciples" who "do the Lord's work" by trying to shut sites down and also try to get TV stations to ban certain shows. After feeling disillusioned, my brother took a 180 degree turn and never looked back! Still, there's thousands of other people out there who still follow these cult groups and think they do "the Lord's work" even though their actions causes their families to fall apart!

[rightidiot]

Originally Posted by Redeemteam

Well, it appears as though the current deletions are having a large effect on the quality of the board.

As a long-time leecher, I haven't given back to this board fairly. However, as an accomplished networking and security expert, I do know a thing or two about how to set up a storage system, hide files, and come up with a safe method of distributing files.

First, let's consider the biggest antagonists to this board:

1.) Sites like this are targets of several law enforcement agencies. Whether we like it or not, there are a few people on this board who will actually do (illegally) the things that they enjoy in the posts. I, like most people here, would never rape or hurt a female, but there are a few bad apples who would and will probably do so here. Law enforcement agencies allow boards like this to exists so that they can monitor and figure out the membership. Therefore, I don't believe that a law enforcement agency is responsible for this.

2.) Is it some evangelist who just really has it in for the subject matter at hand? Not likely... Someone would have to dedicate time tantamount to a full-time job plus some to go through and report every link here. Usually, people don't do this.

3.) But there is one group of people who will spend the time necessary to do this: people who are losing business. This board has costs many, many sites a lot of money and there are more than a few rape sites that would love to see it closed down. Furthermore, these sites have little recourse. Government agencies are not going to come to the aid of rape sites. Copywright protection won't work for them. So, they've found another way. Find each post's link and report it to the different file hosters.

This strategy is working. It's discouraging posters from posting, new users from coming on the board, and furthermore, in the ultimate irony, may have actually turned this board into an excellent advertising and revenue pursuing medium. Here is why: many times, screencaps are posted from certain sites with the site name. Now users who cannot get the links from those screencaps may be inclined to go to the sites and pay them to avoid the hassle.

And the hassle is becoming evident.. increasing the post required post count to the point of excluding all but a few people will kill the board.. links only by PM will wear out the original posters, etc..

Now, here is my idea for a solution.

Why don't the administrators of this board do something that will really show these pays sites that they are for real! Why not contract out with a storage company in some country with lax guidelines. Offer members the right to make free uploads to the storage company. Charge for downloads from the storage company just as rapidshare and other filehosters do for premimum memberships.

This would be the best way to take the money directly out of the competitors hands and would be there worst nightmare.

Finally, give members the right to post links to traditional file hosting sites, but to also have there links posted in this boards own database. The administrators would make enough money to justify the effort while the competitors would be stopped in there tracks as they would be unable to do anything.

I agree with many of the points that you have made. I too have been a long time luker, but have in the past contributed anonymously.

I too work in the IT industry and am concerned about protecting my anonymity.

But consider, that in general society does not condone our inclinations, irrespective of the fact that for most of us, this is just a sexual fantasy, which few of us would play out in real life except with consenting partners.

I have subscribed to various sites that provide the type of content (whilst trying to hide my identity (bloody hard)), but there has been no one site that can fulfil my requirements.

To some point, I agree with you - that the way forward may be to create a private board where we pay for the privilege of downloading movies, but unfortunately, I think we would encounter all sorts of copyright problems, and that it just wouldn't work.

I think the way forward and probably the most economical would be for this forum to become a pay per view type of provider, where the content is sub-contracted from various independents, BUT l dont want to paying ridiculous sums of money, for the same content time and time again. Perhaps what we need is a new super-site that can provide varying contents to meet the need of BDMS and Rape Fantasy.

In the interim, I would love to hear your suggestions on maintaining anonymity, as access to these site is an offence under the laws of most countries.

In the interim I suggest that this board become private, with access only being allowed to registered members. If this doesn't work (ie the deletions dont stop), then only should other avenues be considered.

[morley]

Isn't that the reason www.insex.com went out of business? From what I have learned, they didn't want to fight the government due to the legal expenses being costly. So, insex sold their right to a Dutch Holding company. In the end, the government was tracking BDSM and other heavy fetish websites for obscenity.

If anybody else has heard otherwise, let us know.

[Redeemteam]

Thanks for the responses. They were excellent.

Noir, a few things.. I just wanted to preface this by saying that I've been a long-time downloader and admirer of your posts. I'm sorry that it took a situation like this for me to finally get the chance to say 'thank you.'

Even though it would be easy to track me, I still have to be a little careful in giving out information here, but this is the general government tactic: Setup a website or allow one to be setup where you bring a group of questionable people together. From there, it's fairly easy to find the identities of all but a few people.

Now, with that being said, the situation is a very complicated one for web administrators. I've administered 3 websites with forums myself. A forum will live or die on volume. Every restriction done will deplete volume thus killing the site.

The administrators understand this, and this is why they have been slow to act. It's a very difficult situation without an easy solution. For example, let me tell you what would happen with some of the current solutions:

1. Make the forum Private: That's fine. Watch traffic drop by 50% within the first week and begin dwindling from there.

2. Make the post count ultra-restrictive so as to prevent the antagonists from having the threads removed. The majority of people will just give up on downloading; thus, reducing volume and reducing the number of available uploaders (since many people who download will eventually upload). In the end, it doesn't work.

Noir, the only way that the administrators will be able to save this forum is to figure out how to save their central attaction: downloads.

It's not an easy situation to be in.. Furthermore, people, in general, won't fight for something unless it is worth their time. At least with the administrators having a protected download source, they could be compensated for their time. Plus, the administrators could always give people the option to still upload to the traditional file hosters -- rapid share, etc.

[morley]

I think any forum (whether private or public) will have it's share of problems. With a private forum, it will reduce traffic, but the govt can and will get into them. It's what they are good at.

[Redeemteam]

RightIdiot,

You've made some great points. Let me ask everyone this: what if the administrators were to contract out with a storage company of their choosing and offer that as an option to users, but still give users the option of uploading in the traditional way?

I think that would solve both problems. On one hand, the administrators could offer a storage solution for those that want their links protected from being removed.

On the other hand, those that wouldn't want to pay for the downloads, would not have to do so. They could participate in free uploads and downloads from the file hosting sites.

A partnership would not involve a substantial investment of time or money on our administrator's part, and.., there would be plenty of companies willing to do it with the volume from this site.

If this deleting link stuff keeps on, they won't have the site volume necessary for good bargaining power like they do now?

I got this idea when I read of Sanitarium thinking about a private movie vault. What if the forum had one? I wouldn't object to paying rapidshare type fees of $7.00 a month for downloads. And, users could still upload to a file hoster of their choice.

Thoughts anyone???

[Night.Bane]

What about bit torrent? Is that viable? I admit this isn't my specialty, but bit torrent is dead useful and I can't help but think there's a viable solution in there somewhere...

[rightidiot]

Originally Posted by Redeemteam

RightIdiot,

You've made some great points. Let me ask everyone this: what if the administrators were to contract out with a storage company of their choosing and offer that as an option to users, but still give users the option of uploading in the traditional way?

I think that would solve both problems. On one hand, the administrators could offer a storage solution for those that want their links protected from being removed.

On the other hand, those that wouldn't want to pay for the downloads, would not have to do so. They could participate in free uploads and downloads from the file hosting sites.

Economically, it wont work - each storage company protects its own download.

The only way I can see this working is if RB (rapeboard) agreed to pay a premuim to the provider for each download, and yes for that we will all have to pay a membership fee.

Non members or lukers could be offered a preview of existing movies or just a preview of the pics, so that they can make their own choice.

The biggest problem we face with the premium content providers is poor quality, not knowing what the vids about and a general lack of content. Furthermore the content doesn't change very often. I ghenerally, get bored with these sites after a couple of days, but keep comming back to RB, because of the new content. I may not download everything, but the pic previews, quite often keep me excited to revisit.

{Comment by Redeemteam}: A partnership would not involve a substantial investment of time or money on our administrator's part, and.., there would be plenty of companies willing to do it with the volume from this site.

If this deleting link stuff keeps on, they won't have the site volume necessary for good bargaining power like they do now?

I still think that this is a major hassel for the admin. But, nevertheless I think the time has now come for this board to move on.

{Comment by Redeemteam}: I got this idea when I read of Sanitarium thinking about a private movie vault. What if the forum had one? I wouldn't object to paying rapidshare type fees of $7.00 a month for downloads. And, users could still upload to a file hoster of their choice.

I have no objections to paying a regular fee, if I felt that the content was being changed often enough and varied enough (I like 70's porn, or anything that involves being tied, groped etc....).

However, I need assurances that my identity is being protected. The country Im in has strict law on internet porn and downloading via a proxy is slow and painstaking - hence why I have to be very careful about what I download.

Thoughts anyone???

Im comming to the conclusion, and in agreement with Night.Bane, that the only way around this would be to make things available on "Bit Torrent".

Not really a 100% in favour of this, because there are lots of fakes and virus infected files that you have to deal with on Bit Torrent, but hell if we are forced underground perhaps this is the only way forward. In future we post a Bit Torrent link with caps, which at least assures us of the validity and content of that download.

Good Comment Night.Bane.

[rightidiot]

deleted - sorry double posted.

[Stainless Steel Rat]

Some folks swear by torrents and claim they are 100% safe but nothing could be further from the turth. Unfortunately they are frought with problems, the chief among them being the danger of viruses and newer more sinister forms of malware that can be easily loaded into them and disguised as legitimate files. You think things are bad now with an informer, what if you get somebody with a little more talent who decides to start loading up some very nasty things as a joke! Equally bad is the need for seeders, the way this board functions you would likely get one seeder and 100 leechers, simple files would take weeks to download if you could get them at all, and leaving your computer open to the web for extended times is not something I like to do. Just being online is bad enough, you need to constantly scan your system for all the latest adware and spybots or you might as well keep a brick on your desk instead of your computer. For folks now on dialup who can get a file here and a file there forget it, they're out of luck completely. The file-sharing sites are the next step forward from torrents not a step back.

The reporting now is likely someone who has been complaining that the files are pornographic. Despite the copyright problems a lone individual would have trouble reporting files on this basis if they don't in fact own the copyright. They would be unable to produce a DMCA document to prove ownership as required by law. If the actual owners were concerned they would speak up here not by reporting files randomly to RS. Hey if i'm producer A and I see files of producer B, tough luck for him, he's my competition I'll report my links but not his. But that's not the pattern, the reporting is a random smattering here then there, no way to predict and no way to get to the person responsible. They probably read threads like this and laugh their ass off. Link protection is a start but even I am tiring of constantly re-uploading the same files. I will again repost what was lost today and we shall see what we shall see.

{And rightidiot change your font from that dark blue, it's almost impossible to read! }

Cheers all, the Stainless Steel Rat

[stricken]

Originally Posted by Redeemteam

Well, it appears as though the current deletions are having a large effect on the quality of the board.

As a long-time leecher, I haven't given back to this board fairly. However, as an accomplished networking and security expert, I do know a thing or two about how to set up a storage system, hide files, and come up with a safe method of distributing files.

First, let's consider the biggest antagonists to this board:

1.) Sites like this are targets of several law enforcement agencies. Whether we like it or not, there are a few people on this board who will actually do (illegally) the things that they enjoy in the posts. I, like most people here, would never rape or hurt a female, but there are a few bad apples who would and will probably do so here. Law enforcement agencies allow boards like this to exists so that they can monitor and figure out the membership. Therefore, I don't believe that a law enforcement agency is responsible for this.

2.) Is it some evangelist who just really has it in for the subject matter at hand? Not likely... Someone would have to dedicate time tantamount to a full-time job plus some to go through and report every link here. Usually, people don't do this.

3.) But there is one group of people who will spend the time necessary to do this: people who are losing business. This board has costs many, many sites a lot of money and there are more than a few rape sites that would love to see it closed down. Furthermore, these sites have little recourse. Government agencies are not going to come to the aid of rape sites. Copywright protection won't work for them. So, they've found another way. Find each post's link and report it to the different file hosters.

This strategy is working. It's discouraging posters from posting, new users from coming on the board, and furthermore, in the ultimate irony, may have actually turned this board into an excellent advertising and revenue pursuing medium. Here is why: many times, screencaps are posted from certain sites with the site name. Now users who cannot get the links from those screencaps may be inclined to go to the sites and pay them to avoid the hassle.

And the hassle is becoming evident.. increasing the post required post count to the point of excluding all but a few people will kill the board.. links only by PM will wear out the original posters, etc..

Now, here is my idea for a solution.

Why don't the administrators of this board do something that will really show these pays sites that they are for real! Why not contract out with a storage company in some country with lax guidelines. Offer members the right to make free uploads to the storage company. Charge for downloads from the storage company just as rapidshare and other filehosters do for premimum memberships.

This would be the best way to take the money directly out of the competitors hands and would be there worst nightmare.

Finally, give members the right to post links to traditional file hosting sites, but to also have there links posted in this boards own database. The administrators would make enough money to justify the effort while the competitors would be stopped in there tracks as they would be unable to do anything.

lawl.

If you want to help stop leaching and POST VIDEOS. If others want to help, POST VIDEOS. Who cares if they are deleted, repost them. Keep the links protected, and maintain them. You don't need all of this silly talk about being able to hide files because you are a security guru, and monitoring of enforcement agencies lol..

[addon]

Actually they have every right to delete links as we all are "leeching" since we aren't paying them for the video. Best way is to torrent the whole thing thou some1 need their PC on 24/7 if need to keep links alive and need seeders

[doggystylethatgirl]

i'm sure if the Mods of the site would sing,
they could sing the Beatles "we can work it out...."

[Redeemteam]

This has turned out to be an excellent thread, and I see a number of plausible solutions. Each solution, respectively, with positives and negatives but nothing is perfect.

I think that Nightbane's idea of a torrent would work. Though not perfect, it's better than all downloads being stopped.

Regarding your situation, 'Right', I can understand. Though it is not illegal to browse this board in the United States, it can damage one's career. I'm not 20 anymore with nothing to lose. I've worked hard for what I have and don't intend on giving it up.

With that being said, I browse the board because I honestly don't see anything wrong with people having a fetish provided that it doesn't hurt anyone else. I think that is the opinion of most people on this board.

Regarding the file server storage share, I do want to say one thing. They are incredibly easy to set up and surprising cheap with the cost of storage today. I have a storage system set up on my home network (not with this kind of stuff). Windows Server Editions come with built-in support for hosting a file server.

The only really big issue with this would be one's country and reputation: by setting up a file share in one's own local country, it becomes very easy to trace it back to the owner. That's why I have not offered to do it.

But there are places that do offer this: especially in Eastern European Countries. I think that it should get some thought.

I pesonally set up a 2 Terabyte storage system on my home network. I can remotely access it whenever I travel and it is very secure. The cost of doing this:

1. A used Cisco router (not needed but for extra security): $64
2. A 2 Terabyte USB Drive that I mapped to an IP address and network card: $150.00
3. A Computer fast enough to handle multiple downloads and with 8 Gigabytes of Ram: $450...
4. Windows Server 2003 running as an application server or Linux (free). I run Windows Server 2003 with upgraded security policies.

And, with that, I have a modern storage network for $600. It's very easy to set one up. Now bandwith becomes an issue, but you can purchase this. Plus, with what Rapidshare and other companies charge, they are turning a huge profit. Paying a minimal fee for access to an exclusive file share would more than cover these costs.

[Noir]

Originally Posted by Redeemteam

Thanks for the responses. They were excellent.

Noir, a few things.. I just wanted to preface this by saying that I've been a long-time downloader and admirer of your posts. I'm sorry that it took a situation like this for me to finally get the chance to say 'thank you.'

Even though it would be easy to track me, I still have to be a little careful in giving out information here, but this is the general government tactic: Setup a website or allow one to be setup where you bring a group of questionable people together. From there, it's fairly easy to find the identities of all but a few people.

Now, with that being said, the situation is a very complicated one for web administrators. I've administered 3 websites with forums myself. A forum will live or die on volume. Every restriction done will deplete volume thus killing the site.

The administrators understand this, and this is why they have been slow to act. It's a very difficult situation without an easy solution. For example, let me tell you what would happen with some of the current solutions:

1. Make the forum Private: That's fine. Watch traffic drop by 50% within the first week and begin dwindling from there.

2. Make the post count ultra-restrictive so as to prevent the antagonists from having the threads removed. The majority of people will just give up on downloading; thus, reducing volume and reducing the number of available uploaders (since many people who download will eventually upload). In the end, it doesn't work.

Noir, the only way that the administrators will be able to save this forum is to figure out how to save their central attaction: downloads.

It's not an easy situation to be in.. Furthermore, people, in general, won't fight for something unless it is worth their time. At least with the administrators having a protected download source, they could be compensated for their time. Plus, the administrators could always give people the option to still upload to the traditional file hosters -- rapid share, etc.

To be honest the idea of goverment monitoring a site like this sounds a bit silly to me. I do understand well that most law enforcement forces do follow sites that are linked to hazardous groups but this site does not have any political agenda and in the end rape fantasies are rather common phenemonen. If the material you are viewing is not illegal in your country I'd say there is nothing to fear from your goverment since even the amount of resources needed to monitor these kind of sites is more than anyone can afford to spare for this kind of meaningless subject. Still giving personal information about yourself will always threaten your anonimity on internet so even when including what I said above it is still always better to be on the safe side.

The idea of private forum has been up before and the principle has been that this site is to be kept open for everyone since even though the movie section might be the central attraction for most people it still represents only a partion of the board. By the way even though the post count restriction is not the best solution for this situation it still allows every uploader to set up their own limits if they even wish to use the whole thing.

[Martigan]

Originally Posted by cfit

I vote for #2!

Trust me. Religious groups and Moral-squads have LOTS of time on their hands! There are people who spend unpaid hours in front of the TV writing down all the "immoral filth" that is shown. There are also people who spend countless unpaid hours in front of the computer searching for pornography to report.
How do I know this? My brother USED to follow a Christian cult group that had "disciples" who "do the Lord's work" by trying to shut sites down and also try to get TV stations to ban certain shows. After feeling disillusioned, my brother took a 180 degree turn and never looked back! Still, there's thousands of other people out there who still follow these cult groups and think they do "the Lord's work" even though their actions causes their families to fall apart!

Ironic that they sit there and watch all of that filth to write it down

[stricken]

Originally Posted by Redeemteam

This has turned out to be an excellent thread, and I see a number of plausible solutions. Each solution, respectively, with positives and negatives but nothing is perfect.

I think that Nightbane's idea of a torrent would work. Though not perfect, it's better than all downloads being stopped.

Regarding your situation, 'Right', I can understand. Though it is not illegal to browse this board in the United States, it can damage one's career. I'm not 20 anymore with nothing to lose. I've worked hard for what I have and don't intend on giving it up.

With that being said, I browse the board because I honestly don't see anything wrong with people having a fetish provided that it doesn't hurt anyone else. I think that is the opinion of most people on this board.

Regarding the file server storage share, I do want to say one thing. They are incredibly easy to set up and surprising cheap with the cost of storage today. I have a storage system set up on my home network (not with this kind of stuff). Windows Server Editions come with built-in support for hosting a file server.

The only really big issue with this would be one's country and reputation: by setting up a file share in one's own local country, it becomes very easy to trace it back to the owner. That's why I have not offered to do it.

But there are places that do offer this: especially in Eastern European Countries. I think that it should get some thought.

I pesonally set up a 2 Terabyte storage system on my home network. I can remotely access it whenever I travel and it is very secure. The cost of doing this:

1. A used Cisco router (not needed but for extra security): $64
2. A 2 Terabyte USB Drive that I mapped to an IP address and network card: $150.00
3. A Computer fast enough to handle multiple downloads and with 8 Gigabytes of Ram: $450...
4. Windows Server 2003 running as an application server or Linux (free). I run Windows Server 2003 with upgraded security policies.

And, with that, I have a modern storage network for $600. It's very easy to set one up. Now bandwith becomes an issue, but you can purchase this. Plus, with what Rapidshare and other companies charge, they are turning a huge profit. Paying a minimal fee for access to an exclusive file share would more than cover these costs.

Bandwidth is an obvious issue. You are not going to get an ISP to link a 100mbit connection to your home line, that is just ludicrous, and a 100mbit line wouldn't even come close to handling 1/20th of the bandwidth that would be needed to host such a plan. The only option that leaves you is remote hosting to a data center, costing 200-1000/month per box. And, WHO in their right mind, would actually consider using their own name, to host such material?

The board was fine before rapidshare started deleting links, which for obvious reasons took the fire out of some of the big movie posters. There are other movie hosting sites that can be used and, for the purposes of this board are the only thing that would work.