real rape???

[ego]

Originally Posted by Sternenlied

Ah ... finally ... my favourite statement again ...

Women, you can't put on whatever you like, because men can't control themselves ...

Can't get enough of that ...

I have a simple solution for this problem: Your second brain gives you that much trouble? Let's get rid of it!

Come on, sure u can put whatever u like.And i can wait in the dark...
Well Sternie, nobody says its wright. I say it happens....
U can keep it in mind or u can write it on snow....

And also its not a matter of control.Its something u choose about.U do it or not.Its like u pass from the bank and there are no guards, no cameras, no nothing.U do it or not? If u were a bank owner u would let your place unprotected?Why u do this with your body?
I am not trying to say that it is a victim's fault.But protecting yourself is neccesary even in places with low criminality (like mine).
And finally, NO, you cant put on whatever u like.MarcEdeSade gave a very good example for this.If i go out with my skin exposed in the way many girls do, i am sure i am verbally raped.And everybody will say it was my fault.Could u ever walk in Iraq with a T-shirt writing ''Jesus saves'' ?
Yes, we all know that girls love teasing with their clothes.But there is a limit...
And dont forget:
1st, u cant get rid of it.You will miss it sooo much.
2nd, the men's tendenssies (hope i write it wright) produced from that second head, is the reason we exist as a kind....

By the way, i live just to read the second part of your story.Post it and i worship u 4 ever

[cindyq11]

Uh, huh, what men and women wear.

A Pix is worth a thousand words.



Yeah, on women it looks better.

[Grm]

[quote=ego]

Originally Posted by MarcEdeSade

technically, it is legal for a white man with a shaved head and swastika tattoos to walk down a ghetto street with a white power t-shirt, singing "johnny rebel" tunes.
QUOTE]

Somobody has a point here!

Well, about real rape one thing is clear: it is a crime, and rapists are criminals.
On the other hand, is well known that men have two heads-two brains.The blood is not enough to work both of them at same time...
So, as advice to girls, avoid walking alone in the middle of the night wearing that ''fuck me'' dresses we all love. U never know which head is on...

Some people might have two heads but some have the brain the size of a pea.

[ego]

thanks cindyq11!
GRM i hope your comment is not targeting me.I just say what happens, not what should happen...

[cindyq11]

"The blood is not enough to work both of them at same time...
So, as advice to girls, avoid walking alone in the middle of the night wearing that ''fuck me'' dresses we all love. U never know which head is on..."

Well, if blood flow is what you need, then you need to take Viagra.

I have heard that this increases blood flow to the affected areas.

Oh, and I have walked alone at night, in bad section of town, and not just one. And I have carried a .45. Never used it. But just in case.
But I will shoot.

By the grace of God, I was born an asshole, just give me an excuse to make a bigger fool out of myself. But I will be laughing, and those that tried to take advantage will not be, they will be dead.

[ego]

[QUOTE=cindyq11] And I have carried a .45. QUOTE]

That is good for you.I encourage you to use it if nessesary.
Only problem is u cant carry it in the dresses i have in mind.U cant even carry a box of matches...

[Joanna]

Okay doesn't look like its going to go to the rowdy room so will go to town here anyway.

@Wayneblackhood your a sick fuck even fetish boards have standards hope you don't come back
@Koda how dare you call rape victims whiny it effects different women on different ways "whiny" women as in those that talk about it are qute strong in fact since many women have been known to kill themselves over it.
ever been a victim of real rape?
doubt it and only rape victims can judge the how to deal with the horror of it and in fact even other rape victims shouldn't judge or call other rape victims of being whiny cuz only the individual rape victim has the right to judge how to deal with it, those who talk about it are never whiny whining is moaning about little things like the TV breaking down or something.

@marcdesade omg your such a cut price marquis de sade aren't you.

@ego oh no not that same junk about how a rape victim can incite rape by how she dresses BS.
morally a woman should be able to go around naked and not get raped only evil men with a lack of self control rape.
Pratically that theory completly ignores the fact that the majority of rapes occur to averagly dressed women and the fact that rape is more often about power or taking confident and prim women "down a peg or two" or raping innocent seeming female.
A great many rapists would in fact ignore the "slutty dressed women" in favor of a primly or "innocently" dressed woman, rape is more often about power than the actual sex act most rapists get their kick from forcing sex on to a woman who is unwilling to give it to them the more unwilling they seem the better, so there really is no safe or unsafe way to dress were rape is concerned.

[Louise]

While agreeing with your sentiments here Joanna, i think Koda was quoting an earlier comment from marcdesade...although he did then agree with them. Which is rather astonishing.

[Joanna]

Originally Posted by Louise

While agreeing with your sentiments here Joanna, i think Koda was quoting an earlier comment from marcdesade...although he did then agree with them. Which is rather astonishing.

well even agreeing with the sentiment or phrase deserves cussing so no retractions on my part here lol

[Sternenlied]

By the way, i live just to read the second part of your story.Post it and i worship u 4 ever

Don't worry, it'll be up soon! I just like to make you beg for it!

[ego]

Originally Posted by Sternenlied

I just like to make you beg for it!

I know, i know....
And, i beg, beg, beeeg!
I wait like the dog waits a piece of dirty bread thrown by the master in the mud....
(Was that enough little sadist? )

[ego]

[QUOTE=Joanna]
@ego oh no not that same junk about how a rape victim can incite rape by how she dresses BS.
morally a woman should be able to ....QUOTE]

I totaly agree.I hope u agree we do not live in a moral world
Also, i would like your opinion about this: Morally, should i be able to go out for a drink without every little teaser behave with the style ''look what u cant fuck'' ?
People dont getting confused.What u take in this world, greatly depends on how u behave. U walk the getto the way marcdesade described, u get ....(i dont want to think what). U are in ''Santiago Bernabeu'' and u scream ''Barca-Barca'', u get 2 weeks holiday for free (in the hospital). U walk around in Africa's deserts among hungry to death people,eating your salmon sanwitch (could someone ever do this? ), u get eaten. U scream ''fuck me'' with your clothes and behavior, u get fucked. Isnt it simple?

Its well known since christ's times: Ask, and you shall receive...

[Joanna]

[QUOTE=ego]

Originally Posted by Joanna

@ego oh no not that same junk about how a rape victim can incite rape by how she dresses BS.
morally a woman should be able to ....QUOTE]

I totaly agree.I hope u agree we do not live in a moral world
Also, i would like your opinion about this: Morally, should i be able to go out for a drink without every little teaser behave with the style ''look what u cant fuck'' ?
People dont getting confused.What u take in this world, greatly depends on how u behave. U walk the getto the way marcdesade described, u get ....(i dont want to think what). U are in ''Santiago Bernabeu'' and u scream ''Barca-Barca'', u get 2 weeks holiday for free (in the hospital). U walk around in Africa's deserts among hungry to death people,eating your salmon sanwitch (could someone ever do this? ), u get eaten. U scream ''fuck me'' with your clothes and behavior, u get fucked. Isnt it simple?

Its well known since christ's times: Ask, and you shall receive...

No I am aware that you were addressing this issue on both a moral and pratical level , but even your pratical level showed the same double standard moralizing that is involved were rape is concerned is it to do with it being about sex or is it just plain old sexism?
So your view is that if a woman dresses or acts in a sexually provoctive way she has somehow brought any rape she becomes victim of on because she has acted in a way thats may provoke a rapist ? and that women should not act or dress in sexually provoctive ways or otherwise they can be held at least partly responsible for what happens to them?

So okay how do you dress? do you ever wear a nice suit? drive a nice car? so if some poor kid from the ghetto (doesn't have to be in the ghetto though after all murderous thieves come from all areas of life) and decides to car jack you and kill you, shall we say the fact that you dressed in a nice suit and owned a nice car means you brought on your own death? because after all you dressed in a certain way that could easily incite a evil person who wanted the nice car and money that you had ?
Shall we say that any person who opens a business and becomes a victim of a violent even murderous robbery or some mafia protection racket has asked for it after all mearly opening a business is obviously likely to incite such evilcriminals and events.

Shall we then say that everyone who died on 9/11 brought it on themseleves? after all they certainly lived in a nation and lived a life style that could be said ro be liable to incite islamic fundementalists to want to kill them.

shall we then say that no one should ever own a nice car dress in expensive clothing since that could incite violent robbers and even incite murder, and we should all do exactly what Al Quadia tells us to do? since not doing so will incite terrorists? shall we hold all those who don't change and who carry on acting incitifully to such people responsible for their own death if the evil and mad people kill them?

And that anyone who does wear a nice suit and own ANY KIND OF CAR OR PC period responsible for inciting their own deaths if killed by a robber? after all some people are so poor they might not be able to own a car at all, so just the fact that you own any car might incite some one to kill you for it, and don't go to the store and buy that latest HD tv a gang banger might pass by and and see you buying it, figure you have money and kill you for it and often robbery isn't commited by the poor but just plain greedy and evil people who want to take whatever others have so owning anything at all might incite themand they exist in every area..
Better turn to Islamic fundementisim real quick too or otherwise you will be responsible if your killed in the next 9/11 style attack.?

So do you hold everyone who owns nice things or lives in a nice house responsible for causing their own deaths if some mad evil robber kills them ? cuz after all they owned a nice house which surely could incite some evil lowlife people to rob them? do you hold 9/11 victims at least partly responsible for thier own deaths? because they did not conform to Bin ladins group and acted in a way that Made a certain type of person feel they could attack them and take from them that which they did not want taken? ie their lives? should everyone only act in a way that does not piss of or incite these robbers and terrorists or orherwise be held responsible for inciting the acts of evil madmen ?
BTW if an islamic or Christian or government fundie comes and kills you for being on a rape board shall we say "oh its at least partly your fault since you acted in a way that incited them?

If not then why the double standard were rape victims are concerned? why should a woman not have the right to act in any way that she wants and go any place she wants without being held responsible for the actions of a evil madman (which is what a real rapist is) the same way I am sure you would argue that a person should be able to live in any neighborhood or any nation and follow any belief system they want without being held responsible for inciting the actions of some mad people who think that their behavior give them the right to attack them and take from them that which they were not given permission to take just due to them being incited by how the victim was dressing or behaving.

So why the double standards is it cuz its sex or is it just plain old sexism?

[Grm]

Well said Joanna. It is never a woman's fault if she is raped, she has no choice, unlike the rapist. In any case I don't believe it matters what a woman wears, 90 yearold women are raped in their beds for gods sake. There is only one way to treat a rapist.

[Louise]

Rather than repeat many of the well argued points outlayed by Joanna, id add my own points about responsibility and self care.

I should be able to walk through the back streets of the more dangerous suburbs of London without fear...whatever im dressed in, whatever state im in...but I KNOW I cant. I would be acting irresponsibily...irresponsible to my own safety. I certainly wouldnt deserve to be raped...or even have my state of dress or mental competence used to justify rape!

BUT...I could not defer my own part if I was raped. To deny ones culpability in putting personal safety at risk is to deny personal choice as much as denying personal choice of the part of the rapist in choosing to attack me.

We are all aware of society being imperfect, to simply cast that aside in decision making is to ignore reality.

[Joanna]

Originally Posted by Grm

Well said Joanna. It is never a woman's fault if she is raped, she has no choice, unlike the rapist. In any case I don't believe it matters what a woman wears, 90 yearold women are raped in their beds for gods sake. There is only one way to treat a rapist.

agree totally which is why in my post before the one above I said that there is no truely safe way of dressing and behaving since rape is more often about odd fetishes like taking of innocence mother fixations and exerting power over a woman so in truth with many a rapist dressing overtly sexually and acting as though one was "sexually wanton" would be the best way to avoid getting raped by them.
So a safe dress or behavior code deosn't even exist.
This double standard were rape is concerned is most annoying though.
if only all were as sensible as you are then the system might be a whole lot less unfair to Rape victims than it is today.

[Joanna]

Originally Posted by Louise

Rather than repeat many of the well argued points outlayed by Joanna, id add my own points about responsibility and self care.

I should be able to walk through the back streets of the more dangerous suburbs of London without fear...whatever im dressed in, whatever state im in...but I KNOW I cant. I would be acting irresponsibily...irresponsible to my own safety. I certainly wouldnt deserve to be raped...or even have my state of dress or mental competence used to justify rape!

BUT...I could not defer my own part if I was raped. To deny ones culpability in putting personal safety at risk is to deny personal choice as much as denying personal choice of the part of the rapist in choosing to attack me.

We are all aware of society being imperfect, to simply cast that aside in decision making is to ignore reality.

See I wouldn't even agree with that I have been to Brixton a lot and never been mugged I did get mugged in Kennsington once though!
So there aren't really safe zones and should I then start wearing viels and stuff cuz islamic terrorists think I should?
Rapists are evil mad men I don't think its unreasonable that a woman should feel its a reasonable risk walking in any area without meeting one of those.
crossing the road then could be considered dangerous should we never cross the roads then? or walk miles to find a pedesterian crossing? or maybe just never go out at al?l since going outside increases the risk of meeting up on some mad man or a postal shooter, kids should not go to school any more after all school shootings are very common nowadays.
To me with rape and any crime only one person and one person ever deserves any blame the crazy sick scumbag that commits them.

[Louise]

Originally Posted by Joanna

crossing the road then could be considered dangerous should we never cross the roads then? or walk miles to find a pedesterian crossing? or maybe just never go out at al?l since going outside increases the risk of meeting up on some mad man or a postal shooter, kids should not go to school any more after all school shootings are very common nowadays.
To me with rape and any crime only one person and one person ever deserves any blame the crazy sick scumbag that commits them.

I agree with you Joanna, to an extent, but you wouldnt run madly out onto a busy road would you? or choose to cross a motorway/highways? I merely point out there is a risk factor we need to consider in anything we do...sometimes the risks are insignificant to the action, but sometimes they become very important...couldnt blame a driver if I just chose to walk out in front of him and got knocked over.

[Joanna]

Originally Posted by Louise

I agree with you Joanna, to an extent, but you wouldnt run madly out onto a busy road would you? or choose to cross a motorway/highways? I merely point out there is a risk factor we need to consider in anything we do...sometimes the risks are insignificant to the action, but sometimes they become very important...couldnt blame a driver if I just chose to walk out in front of him and got knocked over.

See now thats an extreme example what would be an equivilent in a rape scenario?
Running out in front of a moving vechile you know the likely scenario even going down a quite unlighted alley would be more the equivilent to crossing a road and a drunk driver speeding out of no where and hitting you.

Rapists are thankfully supposed to be reasonably rare they are mad so the chances of meeting one should be rare so is one supposed to avoid certain areas just due to the 1 in 100 chance of a sick crazy evil person being in exactly that same place at that time?

So short of going to areas with an intention of getting raped and hanging out in areas were there is a lnown rapist on the prowl I can't see any scenario were the woman brought it on.
And again if being in an area = being responsible for ones rape then we should stop being sorry and hold those victims of 9/11 responsible for their own deaths since they were in a building that was known to be a target for terrorists, and well as for the beheading victims in Iraq they are definatley then responsible for their own deaths and as for the soliderrs that die there well they joined the army so for sure then they are reponsible for their own deaths ?

[ego]

Oh, what a river! Take it easy, this is not my mother language
I will try to answer anyway.

[QUOTE=Joanna]

Originally Posted by ego

No I am aware that you were addressing this issue on both a moral and pratical level , but even your pratical level showed the same double standard moralizing that is involved were rape is concerned is it to do with it being about sex or is it just plain old sexism?

I believe there are at least 2 kinds of rapists.One who has it in mind (and probably has done it again) and seeks for a chance.And the one who decides at that moment to do it.One of the reasons he decide it, is probably he was provocated by the victim.That means NOT he is less guilty than the first.He is an evil madman also, as u said.But it means that the victim brought herself in a dangerous situation (a thing she could avoid).

Originally Posted by Joanna

So your view is that if a woman dresses or acts in a sexually provoctive way she has somehow brought any rape she becomes victim of on because she has acted in a way thats may provoke a rapist ? and that women should not act or dress in sexually provoctive ways or otherwise they can be held at least partly responsible for what happens to them?

I never said that ANY woman raped, became victim because of her fault.For the 2nd question, yes, at least partly responsible.
I do belive in freedom.I do believe that any person is free to choose what to put on.But being provoctive, and then walking half-drunk the dark alley with a miniskirt as long as my belt, is not a clever thing to do. Finally, call a fucking taxi.Ask your boyfriend, a gay u know, your father, somebody.

Originally Posted by Joanna

So okay how do you dress? do you ever wear a nice suit? drive a nice car? so if some poor kid from the ghetto (doesn't have to be in the ghetto though after all murderous thieves come from all areas of life) and decides to car jack you and kill you, shall we say the fact that you dressed in a nice suit and owned a nice car means you brought on your own death? because after all you dressed in a certain way that could easily incite a evil person who wanted the nice car and money that you had ?

Belive me Joanna, i dont walk in ghettos.And if i ever do, it will be in dirty jeans and an old ford ( a capri i guess ).Otherwise, feel free to come and piss on my grave
And if i ever have so much money to become a target ( not possible, i simply cant hold money, they r like fish, u eat them fresh ) i will pay hard for security.

Originally Posted by Joanna

Shall we then say that everyone who died on 9/11 brought it on themseleves? after all they certainly lived in a nation and lived a life style that could be said ro be liable to incite islamic fundementalists to want to kill them.

This is not a good example.
I know my answer may cause pages of discussion.I was banned from a board for having my opinion on this.Anyway, i will write it...
Well, people who died on 9/11 were '' at least partly responsible''. Because they fall in the trap to believe they are safe and that there was no reason to react while their goverments humiliates humanity and exchange human lifes for oil. Oh yes, they died because of america's choices in external politic.
Hard to say,sorry to say,but it is the bitter truth...

Originally Posted by Joanna

shall we then say that no one should ever own a nice car dress......

Yes, we should own. But passing next to people who dont (but have a way to destroy ours) and say them: ''look ashole, look what i have and u have not'' is not clever...

Originally Posted by Joanna

BTW if an islamic or Christian or government fundie comes and kills you for being on a rape board shall we say "oh its at least partly your fault since you acted in a way that incited them?

If I go to an islamic country and express how much i like rape fantasies, is like i ask them cut off my dick.Its not ''at least'' its completly MY fault...

Originally Posted by Joanna

If not then why the double standard were rape victims are concerned? why should a woman not have the right to act in any way that she wants and go any place she wants without being held responsible for the actions of a evil madman (which is what a real rapist is)

Why i cant scream "BARCA-BARCA'' in ''Santiago Bernabeu'' ?
Why i cant walk with pockets full of money in the ghetto ?
Why i cant speak about rape in islam ?
Because they will fuck me. That simple!

Originally Posted by Joanna

the same way I am sure you would argue that a person should be able to live in any neighborhood or any nation and follow any belief system they want without being held responsible for inciting the actions of some mad people who think that their behavior give them the right to attack them and take from them that which they were not given permission to take just due to them being incited by how the victim was dressing or behaving.

Come on Joanna...You describe the perfect place...
If you find it, please e-mail me (sea is necessary )

Originally Posted by Joanna

So why the double standards is it cuz its sex or is it just plain old sexism?

Probably a combination.Old sexism is not dead yet.

I would like an answer (one never taken ) in my question: why i cant go out for a drink without every little teaser behave with the style ''look what u cant fuck'' ?

I like proverbs, and i keep one for the end.A chinese one:
''People who live in houses of glass, should not throw stones''.
Hope not to get u tired.
Goodnight.Or goodmorning.