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Old 01-28-2008, 07:43 PM   #1
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Just a few things I want to see in a rape movie:

1. It should take more than about 2 nanoseconds to get her naked. It's not all that easy to get a girl's clothes off, and would be fun to watch him have to try a little harder.

2. She should either fight or be given a reason not to fight. (e.g. a knife or other weapon) Watching her halfheartedly flailing around - usually with her legs open - is boring.

3. Not every girl automatically opens her mouth whenever she sees a cock. WTF??

4. Having a guy tear into her ass would HURT, even if she was experienced "back there". She should be screaming and most of the girls act like they don't even notice. This is a pet peeve of mine. If I wanted to watch a vid of someone who liked it, I'd visit a vanilla site.

5. Why are there so few women who can act like they don't want it? I've only seen a very few vids - mostly the older ones - where the girls made more than a token attempt to pretend that this was really rape. Most of them look either bored or (worse) like they are enjoying it. I'd bet big money every girl on this board could do a better job.

That's my "must have" list. What's yours?
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I agree with your list
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I agree with your list but then again, I assume the reason why they do show it with them not really fighting and willing taking the rapist's cock in their mouth instead of refusing or biting it is to show that its only a fantasy and not an actually rape.
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Number 3 annoys me most of all, it's rare for the victim to put up a struggle with the forced blow job in porn. How hard is it to say no a few times and have her hair pulled or something?
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I agree with yoru list, All of those things have gotten to me at one point or another, especially the stripping of the victim, which i find to be one of the more tantilizing parts. I also wish there was better english dialoge in some scenes, I know Porn is not exactly known for its quality acting, but would just a little bit of effort be so hard?
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Most clothes do tear rather easy, so that doesn't bother me. My addition:

6. Less money shots, more cum inside.

BTW, I gave up on RFP a long time ago.
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It all comes down to believability doesn't it. The vast majority of vids intended to cater to our rape fetish simply lack credibility. Like many of you I suspect, I've become much more selective in downloading vids, and even more selective when it comes to which ones don't go directly into the recycle bin after a single viewing, or just a partial viewing in some cases.


From the victim, I want to see defiance, resistance with every fiber of her being, fear, panic, terror, desperation, humiliation, pain, revulsion, loathing, hate ... I could go on but you get the idea I'm sure. I want to see capitulation only when she is totally exhausted and broken, or otherwise rendered incapable of further resistance.
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Wiz, you put it much better than I ever could. Believability usually depends on the woman's acting abilities. I suspect most porn stars are not chosen for their ability to do much of anything.

We should start a thread in the movie section about which movies are the ones we chose to save and which ones are for single view. Tastes differ, of course, but I would trust this group's recommendations before anyone else.

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I know my bf would fully agree with you. He is really a maniac in our roleplays, he likes everything as realistic as possible.

When he assaults me, I'm fully dressed, even my shoes or boots must be on my feet... (though we play at home)
He usually pretends to be a robber or a burglar and uses a kitchen knife to make me obey until he ties me up and gags and blindfolds me. Sometimes we make it without the knife, and we wrestle. We discovered that it is not at all easy for him to hold my hands and the string and to tie the knot.
And when Im finally helpless in his hands, and he begins to fondle me and remove my clothes, I always have to struggle and resist and try to cry for help through my gag, as wild as I can. Thats the part he likes the most.
Oh I nearly forget to mention that in these roleplays he ties me especially powerfully. Thats the other thing he likes very much. He really hates pictures where the rope is tied so loose that the girl could get free if she wanted.

Well about forced blowjobs: he likes it but he also told me, he would never risk his best part to be bit off... lol...
Unfortunately there is this evil thing, the ringgag. I had to "wear" it a couple of times for blowjobs, well thats not the proper word, its rather a "mouthfuck" as he calls it. It's really the most evil thing for a rape roleplay...
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Someone likes their gags lol. But yea Sierra hit it on the mark...half way into the movie they're either enjoying it or it's likely into the anal scene where she should be screaming her head off and fighting harder.

I'd love to see a woman actually strike a guy and draw some blood...hell if I were the actor protraying the rapist I wouldn't mind being punched bitten or clawed. That movie would sell millions
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Wiz, you put it much better than I ever could. Believability usually depends on the woman's acting abilities. I suspect most porn stars are not chosen for their ability to do much of anything.

We should start a thread in the movie section about which movies are the ones we chose to save and which ones are for single view. Tastes differ, of course, but I would trust this group's recommendations before anyone else.

Sierra - I agree with your list but in terms of bad acting I blame the directors. Not surprisingly a lot of women are going to only put in minimal effort unless its someone like Krista/Kass who is trying to make a name for herself in this genre. The damn directors should be cracking the whip - telling them what they expect to see out of her or they aint gettin paid! Also, the producers ought to be hiring guys as directors who understand what these fantasies are all about - say from this board for instance!
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I'd like to see a very flexible girl being folded in half and forced to eat herself.
Would be very hard to find someone that flexible, though.
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Sierra...and others... some very interesting information here. (sorry this is so long...don't hate me for it!)

Being as we produce videos of an adult nature, to be honest, this is very helpful information.

We produced one early last year simply titled "Home Invasion". One of the RARE occurances that I myself appeared in front of the camera rather then behind it.

In that instance, my lovely wife, one of the "Invadees" was told to fight her hardest against the invader. Myself.

Now this wasn't a "rape" video per se. I was the invader, dressed I might add in an actual set of prison oranges. And I had to hold her, and threaten her with my one hand holding a knife while directing her dumpy, pasty skinned "husband" to strip himself etc. Then hold her with one hand while I finished tying him up.

It is NOT as easy as it sounds. My wife Is VERY strong (she oil wrestles men all out hardcore finishing up with sex at the end!).

When it came time for me to strip her, it was all I could do to do it. But...as she was fighting against me in the video; she didn't hold back. In fact at one point, she spit full on into my face. (Had to stop filming there for a few minutes as it came so unexpected to everyone present that we all ended up laughing our heads off that she....a rt sub/slave in the BDSM lifestyle would do so to her Dom/Master.)

I was barely able to control her, and, at some points we were told after we wrapped, that we actually scared the other people present with our interaction. Because it was so real and not scripted. (I did EVENTUALLY get her stripped down!!! LOL)

I tied her up back to back with her "husband", robbed them blind and left. The sex came while they were tied nude back to back...had to struggle themselves out of their bonds...I did NOT make it easy on them...then they had sex because the adrenaline rush of the whole situation was too much for them. LOL

But the point is, when there is true realism...At times I barely was able to prevent her being cut with the knife I was using to cut her clothes off, that it in actuality got us all VERY hot and bothered. (She and I had some WILD VERY ROUGH Kinky sex that night...as her co star just didn't have that side to him...so she didn't get what she "needed".. but rather played out the video scene! LOL)

Once the video was edited, the other company we shot with, decided they couldn't use it for their production as it was "too realistic" and may come across that way to their client base.

Ours on the other hand....loved it.

So we plan on doing more and more material like this during the upcoming summer. (All in HD by the way...hehehe) But expanding on it with special effects and makeup etc.

What you aren't seeing in the videos are people who "understand" or "feel the scene" as we did. That rarely happens. And with all the good information I have read on this thread alone, it will make our productions much more believable, in the finished product.

As for the women enjoying it halfway through etc. That is the talent of the women as actors (sorry Ladies, I don't want to incure any of your wrath from what I've read on these boards...but it is true). My wife and I have put on shows of this sort, together, and her with others....and afterwords have been told by some of the people watching they were afraid for her while we were doing it. It's all about frame of mind and putting yourself in the character. Fantasy after all. (It's too bad all other companies cast her for is Milf, Booty, and vanilla stuff all the time!!! LOL)

@Renegade & Others....we are always looking for talent in these areas....hint hint hint.....

@Christine - Tell your BF to get 6" Shrink wrap. It comes on rolls like dut tape. Doesn't leave a mark, no hair ripping off after the scene, and you can use it for VERY tight bindings and great gags he can literally tear through with his cock, that the "victim" if she has long enough nails, can tear through...eventually, and start the fight anew. It adds a lot of realism to have the victim "get their second wind" once the aggressor has started to break them down.

@Sierra we agree with the "opens her mouth every time she sees a cock. Now granted in our day to day life...that may be the case....LOL....But in the rape fantasy genre, it should be plugged nostrils, or better yet, taped, so she has to keep her mouth open. The victim should never have her hands near that cock either. She's not servicing him, he's taking it. And why don't they bite more? It's a natural instinct to defend yourself in any way possible, in that situation a guy shoving his cock in an unwilling victims mouth is just looking for a good hard cock bite. Especially if he has no gun or weapon!!! LOL And no porn stars are chosen for their looks alone. If they fit an age, look or catagory, that's all that's needed. No one really gives a rats ass if they can act. My wife is actually trained in acting, modeling and photography, but NO company looks at that on her resume, they look at her tits, ass, shaved pussy, and then what she will or wont' do on screen (she won't do very little!) and if they like her look, they choose her. It's like a cattle auction! LOL They look for the most pleasing (sorry again ladies!) heifer to the eyes that will make them the most money and go for her.

@Menace....don't think of them as money shots. The next time you are watching a vid, watch the pop shot and think....SMARRRRT rapist.....doesn't leave his DNA for the authorities. Of course they never clean it off so their idiots. But an experienced sexual predator will not leave hardly any evidence if he doesn't have to.

In an upcoming one we're shooting this summer the aggressor uses rubber surgical gloves, uses a condom, nylon over his head, and once he is done, forces her to squirt (essentially "washing" her out with her own fluid) and she is laying there, crying and exhausted...proceeds to use wipes to clean her body off as best he can, even under her nails...just in case. Then moves on to the next scene in the movie. Realism. That's what counts.

Sorry this was so long...as my lovely wife says...I can get as long winded as the universe is big if given the opportunity!
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Sierra...and others... some very interesting information here. (sorry this is so long...don't hate me for it!)

Being as we produce videos of an adult nature, to be honest, this is very helpful information.

We produced one early last year simply titled "Home Invasion". One of the RARE occurances that I myself appeared in front of the camera rather then behind it.

In that instance, my lovely wife, one of the "Invadees" was told to fight her hardest against the invader. Myself.

Now this wasn't a "rape" video per se. I was the invader, dressed I might add in an actual set of prison oranges. And I had to hold her, and threaten her with my one hand holding a knife while directing her dumpy, pasty skinned "husband" to strip himself etc. Then hold her with one hand while I finished tying him up.

It is NOT as easy as it sounds. My wife Is VERY strong (she oil wrestles men all out hardcore finishing up with sex at the end!).

When it came time for me to strip her, it was all I could do to do it. But...as she was fighting against me in the video; she didn't hold back. In fact at one point, she spit full on into my face. (Had to stop filming there for a few minutes as it came so unexpected to everyone present that we all ended up laughing our heads off that she....a rt sub/slave in the BDSM lifestyle would do so to her Dom/Master.)

I was barely able to control her, and, at some points we were told after we wrapped, that we actually scared the other people present with our interaction. Because it was so real and not scripted. (I did EVENTUALLY get her stripped down!!! LOL)

I tied her up back to back with her "husband", robbed them blind and left. The sex came while they were tied nude back to back...had to struggle themselves out of their bonds...I did NOT make it easy on them...then they had sex because the adrenaline rush of the whole situation was too much for them. LOL

But the point is, when there is true realism...At times I barely was able to prevent her being cut with the knife I was using to cut her clothes off, that it in actuality got us all VERY hot and bothered. (She and I had some WILD VERY ROUGH Kinky sex that night...as her co star just didn't have that side to him...so she didn't get what she "needed".. but rather played out the video scene! LOL)

Once the video was edited, the other company we shot with, decided they couldn't use it for their production as it was "too realistic" and may come across that way to their client base.

Ours on the other hand....loved it.

So we plan on doing more and more material like this during the upcoming summer. (All in HD by the way...hehehe) But expanding on it with special effects and makeup etc.

What you aren't seeing in the videos are people who "understand" or "feel the scene" as we did. That rarely happens. And with all the good information I have read on this thread alone, it will make our productions much more believable, in the finished product.

As for the women enjoying it halfway through etc. That is the talent of the women as actors (sorry Ladies, I don't want to incure any of your wrath from what I've read on these boards...but it is true). My wife and I have put on shows of this sort, together, and her with others....and afterwords have been told by some of the people watching they were afraid for her while we were doing it. It's all about frame of mind and putting yourself in the character. Fantasy after all. (It's too bad all other companies cast her for is Milf, Booty, and vanilla stuff all the time!!! LOL)

@Renegade & Others....we are always looking for talent in these areas....hint hint hint.....

@Christine - Tell your BF to get 6" Shrink wrap. It comes on rolls like dut tape. Doesn't leave a mark, no hair ripping off after the scene, and you can use it for VERY tight bindings and great gags he can literally tear through with his cock, that the "victim" if she has long enough nails, can tear through...eventually, and start the fight anew. It adds a lot of realism to have the victim "get their second wind" once the aggressor has started to break them down.

@Sierra we agree with the "opens her mouth every time she sees a cock. Now granted in our day to day life...that may be the case....LOL....But in the rape fantasy genre, it should be plugged nostrils, or better yet, taped, so she has to keep her mouth open. The victim should never have her hands near that cock either. She's not servicing him, he's taking it. And why don't they bite more? It's a natural instinct to defend yourself in any way possible, in that situation a guy shoving his cock in an unwilling victims mouth is just looking for a good hard cock bite. Especially if he has no gun or weapon!!! LOL And no porn stars are chosen for their looks alone. If they fit an age, look or catagory, that's all that's needed. No one really gives a rats ass if they can act. My wife is actually trained in acting, modeling and photography, but NO company looks at that on her resume, they look at her tits, ass, shaved pussy, and then what she will or wont' do on screen (she won't do very little!) and if they like her look, they choose her. It's like a cattle auction! LOL They look for the most pleasing (sorry again ladies!) heifer to the eyes that will make them the most money and go for her.

@Menace....don't think of them as money shots. The next time you are watching a vid, watch the pop shot and think....SMARRRRT rapist.....doesn't leave his DNA for the authorities. Of course they never clean it off so their idiots. But an experienced sexual predator will not leave hardly any evidence if he doesn't have to.

In an upcoming one we're shooting this summer the aggressor uses rubber surgical gloves, uses a condom, nylon over his head, and once he is done, forces her to squirt (essentially "washing" her out with her own fluid) and she is laying there, crying and exhausted...proceeds to use wipes to clean her body off as best he can, even under her nails...just in case. Then moves on to the next scene in the movie. Realism. That's what counts.

Sorry this was so long...as my lovely wife says...I can get as long winded as the universe is big if given the opportunity!
lol good ot know we've got someone listening to us, great about your wife and you being able to do films and what not together.
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Thanks! Hey we listen to everyone that thinks they have good ideas to make porn better! LOL You never know when you'll find that diamond in the rough. So by all means, everyone keep posting what they'd like to see. You never know...you may actually see it in one of our vids! lol
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I know *exactly* what you're saying. May I recommend this video as a remedy to every single item on your list:

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hey adarque care to name some of the movies you produced and what not. I'm curious now lol.
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Old 02-13-2008, 10:14 PM   #19
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hey adarque care to name some of the movies you produced and what not. I'm curious now lol.
I'll message you privately about them.
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Old 02-14-2008, 04:36 AM   #20
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Great discussion on this. The one thing that annoys me the most about so-called rape videos is when the man (who's supposed to be doing this because he LIKES it) can't even get his dick hard. There he is forcing some witless victim to suck on him or he's fucking away while she struggles and moans in protest, and the poor idiot isn't even aroused! What kind of rapist assaults a woman with a limp cock? How am I supposed to enjoy that?
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