"Too real to be staged" and the likes ... - Page 3 - Rape Board

craxon · 08-22-2008, 11:52 AM

real is worrying - I certainly wouldn't want to see - but sometimes you just cannot be sure - most of the time its easy to guess - but some of them its real hard - I am glad the moderators err on the side of caution on this board - even if it annoy some people

carbaski · 08-25-2008, 07:04 AM

Besides, if it was a real rape, then it probably wasn't erotic for most people who enjoy rape fantasies. And if it's not erotic, what's the point?

Nemesis2008 · 08-27-2008, 12:10 PM

I applaud the actions taken to remove the material, and to keep fantasy separated from reality. Fantasy is erotic, typically safe and non harming to anyone, and of course real rape is a crime and and ugly assault and worse on an innocent person.

I've mentioned it before in comparison to real horror and gore of real life compared to that in the movies. It may be bizaar to enjoy seeing someone hacked to death, tortured or even just shot to pieces in mainstream movies, but to see it in real life is sickening and gut wrenching.

I have seen the aftermath of real human tradgedy, and it is not fun, erotic, or in anyway entertaining. It is sad, and truly horrific. I actually can feel sick after viewing real vs. fake.

On the flip side, I do enjoy many forms of fantasy human/victim peril, etc, but I can truly separate fantasy from reality. There is a carnal instinct in many of us that finds excitment in such imaginary sexual, emotional, physical urges or impulses, but to need to satisfy it with real life human tragedy is crossing the line to unheathy thoughts and actions.. Maybe I'm off base, and sounding a bit hypocritical, but that's my take on it..

Uncle Al · 08-27-2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Debaser

Love this guy.

Wesker · 09-07-2008, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis2008

I applaud the actions taken to remove the material, and to keep fantasy separated from reality. Fantasy is erotic, typically safe and non harming to anyone, and of course real rape is a crime and and ugly assault and worse on an innocent person.

I've mentioned it before in comparison to real horror and gore of real life compared to that in the movies. It may be bizaar to enjoy seeing someone hacked to death, tortured or even just shot to pieces in mainstream movies, but to see it in real life is sickening and gut wrenching.

I have seen the aftermath of real human tradgedy, and it is not fun, erotic, or in anyway entertaining. It is sad, and truly horrific. I actually can feel sick after viewing real vs. fake.

On the flip side, I do enjoy many forms of fantasy human/victim peril, etc, but I can truly separate fantasy from reality. There is a carnal instinct in many of us that finds excitment in such imaginary sexual, emotional, physical urges or impulses, but to need to satisfy it with real life human tragedy is crossing the line to unheathy thoughts and actions.. Maybe I'm off base, and sounding a bit hypocritical, but that's my take on it..

nicely put

Dessboy60 · 09-14-2008, 04:30 AM

I've seen regular Vanilla porn originating from Eastern Europe released by fairly big regular porn labels where he girls are obviously not into it at all and doing it with extreme reluctance. So sad to see

tnthong · 11-08-2008, 10:44 PM

Sorry folks, there's something I don't get here, and btw I see this is an old post but I have to ask...How can someone fantasize and be turned on by something and also be disgusted by the real thing? Of course it's not right, but isn't that the whole turn on in the first place? I'm just saying, aren't the best "fake" vids the best because they're so real in the first place? I'm confused LOL

Ragman · 11-09-2008, 12:24 AM

I think that is a legitimate question tnthong. Your gonna find that a lot of people here draw very strict differences between reality and fantasy so here are my own personal views on the subject.

I find real rape to be a real turnoff. Its not sexy.. its not attractive.. its vile, bloody, sloppy and wrong. It is also, in many cases.. more about power rather than sexual gratification.

Fantasy sex , while still about power, is different for me. Fantasies are planned out,there is never any real lasting damage done because none of the people in my imagination are real. in roleplay it can be as sexy or realistic as both partners want without causing true harm.

I do NOT have this fantasy because I want to rape in real life. In real life I am no villan, In this fantasy.. on this board and others... I CAN be a villan, I can let the dark side of my psyche play.. even if its just for a little while.. before it goes awa.......

tnthong · 11-10-2008, 06:38 PM

Ragman, I completely agree with you but after I read the post here seems to me that no one really knew if this post was real or not and I just didn't understand all the "upset" about it. This is a place I don't feel like I'm being judged so it surprised me a little I guess. I agree it should be removed if it were real or even thought to be real, but if you watched it (not saying you did, just "if") thinking it was just fantasy in the first place what's the big deal here. And it seems that many members actually did want to watch it knowing before hand it could be. I guess what I'm saying is that it just seemed too hyped and maybe it should've just been quietly deleted.

Thank you for commenting

Ragman · 11-11-2008, 05:04 AM

Nothing happens quietly on this board tnthong...nothing...

SugarT · 12-13-2008, 04:41 AM

"it's shocking how many of the girls in porn have a past history of child sexual abuse, making them more susceptible to this)"

That is spot on...I am into Japanese porn myself and I have heard very reliable reports that several porn shoots are set up with willing girls thinking its one on one sex, and they can say no to whatever or Whomever...but in fact they are rape movies planned and often gang/bukkake etc....the girls have agreed to shoot porn so nobody would listen/care if they cried rape.

The directors feel its more realistic if the girls are not clued into what will happen!

I read on a forum once of a Uni Teacher in japan that said two of his students were budding porn stars and had one movie out each...several months later he posted one quit as she was gang raped in her second movie shoot. many J porn stars commit suicide.

abk1024 · 12-21-2008, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by lilwing

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If people see an audience for fake rape porn, then more and more women will be forced into scenarios to which they will not enjoy nor agree with. Fantasy rape IS in actual fact real because these women are forced and exploited.

Thoughts?

I think rape fantasy as pron itself is not the problem, it is just one "genre" of porn, and not the only one being exploited. Exploitation in rape porn is the same as it is in softcore porn, or drugged up prostitutes in brothels. On the other hand, I see no reason why there can't be rape fantasy expressions where there is mutual consent, which IMO, is what this forum is all about.

I agree with you that exploitation of sex workers is very prevalent and must be corrected, but keep in mind, the sex industry is not the only example of economical slavery. Personally I see little difference between an underpaid factory worker and a underpaid sex worker, but further discussion of this belong in a different thread on a different forum.

InnocentVirgin · 12-27-2008, 01:54 AM

Many thoughtful and thought provoking items here.

I am going to chime in too.

I don't subscribe to the notion that rape is all about power. Every real rapist has their own agenda. The notion that rape isn't sex just doesn't wash for me. It's sex all right.. Only for the rapist to be sure, but sex nonetheless.

Now what fuels the rapist's sexual drive? A thousand answers. As individual as each of us are. Some are unfathomable. Sadists. Sociopaths.

The difference in rape fantasy - be it a power play or not - you have consenting adults that take something away with the fantasy. That is .. if you roleplay it. I've not yet had too many of my fantasies come to fruition in really real life. In my fantasies - sometimes I enjoy the more violent aspects. Would I want someone to spit on me in role-play? Kick me? Draw blood? Nope. Would I want a gangbang for real? I'm thinking... nope.

As for the really real filmed rapes... It's distasteful. Distressing. And perfectly horrible that people film such. But as noted before - how do you draw the line in determining which is real and fake real?

Editing notwithstanding - there are some really fine actors out there.

The realism in film nowadays - people just won't buy a cheesy substitute - won't see it. The line will become finer and finer until it's erased I think.

But isn't it the person watching it?

Because one doesn't want to exploit a possible real film and the horror involved - does that preclude being turned on by it? Maybe - If you tell yourself it is real - maybe that is enough to turn the switch - if you are ambiguous and don't really think about it - it will probably get you off.

If I don't value or care that people really may have been raped and hurt in a film - what does that say about me specifically?

I shudder at the thought.

Our free market porn dictates that it will be available so long as there is a market.

Obviously some people make no distinction between real and well acted farce and could care less.

If it makes me uncomfortable, I quit watching.. anyway.

maddymonkey1 · 01-20-2009, 04:19 PM

My rapists filmed the rape, and I am so terrified that that video is out there somewhere being viewed. I know that I am somewhat naieve (sp) to think that it hasn't been viewed somewhere.
They originally blackmailed me with the video, saying that if I told on them, they'd send the tape to my parents, husband, etc...

InnocentVirgin · 01-22-2009, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maddymonkey1

My rapists filmed the rape, and I am so terrified that that video is out there somewhere being viewed. I know that I am somewhat naieve (sp) to think that it hasn't been viewed somewhere.
They originally blackmailed me with the video, saying that if I told on them, they'd send the tape to my parents, husband, etc...

I am so sorry that you are going through that. My heart and sympathies go out to you.

softcorelover · 06-16-2009, 03:46 PM

I wasnâ€™t around when the thread in question was up

Im not to sure what to think
On the one hand I take exception to the removing of any rape related thread on a board such as this
Seems to me the hole point of a forum like this is to cross the morall lines

On the other hand when ever I hear someone on TV talking about a real rape the emotion it generates from me is hardly hormonal
I have never seen anything that came close to making me think it was REAL
And I donâ€™t think I want to

Kruniac · 09-05-2009, 04:25 PM

I'm not trying to troll with this as my first post, but this thread really struck me -hard-.

All I can say is this... Some of you folks can reject "realistic" rape, remove videos that -might- be questionable, and other such nonsense. I'm going to face what I am, what gets me off, and do the exact opposite.

I mean, the entire point behind being into rape fantasy is -fantasizing- that you are involved in the mix. If you are a victim, great. The predator, fine. Don't watch some porn star give a half-assed wimper every five seconds and tell us it's as good as it gets.

No, no, no. There are some demented, depraved, and awful videos out there. It's my job to find them, to jerk off to them, to let out a terrible rage for about fifteen seconds, then to get a little sleepy and shake my head at "How -awful- that video was."

...Then I literally laugh at my own humanistic irony. I can get off to it, but only when the urge hits. Any other time, its "...Oh how awful."

At least I'm honest with myself. As long as those of you who object to "realistic" videos genuinely are against it, and not hopping on some "good guy rape fantasy blah blah boring blah" bandwagon, then hats off for your opinion.

Sternenlied · 09-13-2009, 09:19 AM

1) Yes, there are some "demented, depraved, and awful" videos out there.

Doesn't mean we have to allow them in here.

2) If you consider finding them your mission - fine with everyone around RB. Just not here.

3) I appreciate you being honest with yourself. I am being honest with myself as well. Apparently a quality you appreciate, too.

So you should be able to appreciate the reason why such videos aren't to be found here.

Skirt-fun · 12-08-2009, 06:12 AM

Interesting topic! I have on a number of occasions downloaded videos from Limewire and on watching them thought they were very realistic and hought was it real or not? I take no pleasure in seeing a woman suffer in real life as I respect women. The old addage of if it were your mother/wife/sister etc always springs into my mind. Its a bit like with Japanese porn. I love it, but I have watched a number of videos from this genre and thought, she looks v young etc, once one that was set on a train and to this day Im not sure if what I watched was real or not. Removing it was the right thing to do IMO, if u want to have the freedom to watch stuff thats v close to the bone, or possibly real then check out limewire.

Chad Michael Michaels · 01-26-2010, 02:05 PM

If someone has the video upped send me a pm with a link.

08-27-2008, 12:10 PM	#43
Nemesis2008 Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Northern Midwest Posts: 42 Reputation: 45	I applaud the actions taken to remove the material, and to keep fantasy separated from reality. Fantasy is erotic, typically safe and non harming to anyone, and of course real rape is a crime and and ugly assault and worse on an innocent person. I've mentioned it before in comparison to real horror and gore of real life compared to that in the movies. It may be bizaar to enjoy seeing someone hacked to death, tortured or even just shot to pieces in mainstream movies, but to see it in real life is sickening and gut wrenching. I have seen the aftermath of real human tradgedy, and it is not fun, erotic, or in anyway entertaining. It is sad, and truly horrific. I actually can feel sick after viewing real vs. fake. On the flip side, I do enjoy many forms of fantasy human/victim peril, etc, but I can truly separate fantasy from reality. There is a carnal instinct in many of us that finds excitment in such imaginary sexual, emotional, physical urges or impulses, but to need to satisfy it with real life human tragedy is crossing the line to unheathy thoughts and actions.. Maybe I'm off base, and sounding a bit hypocritical, but that's my take on it.. __________________ ___________________________________________ "If there are self made pergatories then we all must live in them. Mine can be no worse than someone elses."

09-14-2008, 04:30 AM	#46
Dessboy60 Privileged Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 434 Reputation: 43415	I've seen regular Vanilla porn originating from Eastern Europe released by fairly big regular porn labels where he girls are obviously not into it at all and doing it with extreme reluctance. So sad to see __________________ Dessyboy's MAINSTREAM Movies Thread Dessboy's New MAINSTREAM MOVIES with a Rape Scene in them Thread

11-08-2008, 10:44 PM	#47
tnthong Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 22 Reputation: 10	Sorry folks, there's something I don't get here, and btw I see this is an old post but I have to ask...How can someone fantasize and be turned on by something and also be disgusted by the real thing? Of course it's not right, but isn't that the whole turn on in the first place? I'm just saying, aren't the best "fake" vids the best because they're so real in the first place? I'm confused LOL __________________ stay out of dark allys...unless you're looking for a little fun

11-09-2008, 12:24 AM	#48
Ragman Privileged Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: an alley near you Posts: 2,226 Reputation: 5535	I think that is a legitimate question tnthong. Your gonna find that a lot of people here draw very strict differences between reality and fantasy so here are my own personal views on the subject. I find real rape to be a real turnoff. Its not sexy.. its not attractive.. its vile, bloody, sloppy and wrong. It is also, in many cases.. more about power rather than sexual gratification. Fantasy sex , while still about power, is different for me. Fantasies are planned out,there is never any real lasting damage done because none of the people in my imagination are real. in roleplay it can be as sexy or realistic as both partners want without causing true harm. I do NOT have this fantasy because I want to rape in real life. In real life I am no villan, In this fantasy.. on this board and others... I CAN be a villan, I can let the dark side of my psyche play.. even if its just for a little while.. before it goes awa....... __________________ "Aww He's just a silly, dirty little man. What's to be afraid of ?" 2

11-10-2008, 06:38 PM	#49
tnthong Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 22 Reputation: 10	Ragman, I completely agree with you but after I read the post here seems to me that no one really knew if this post was real or not and I just didn't understand all the "upset" about it. This is a place I don't feel like I'm being judged so it surprised me a little I guess. I agree it should be removed if it were real or even thought to be real, but if you watched it (not saying you did, just "if") thinking it was just fantasy in the first place what's the big deal here. And it seems that many members actually did want to watch it knowing before hand it could be. I guess what I'm saying is that it just seemed too hyped and maybe it should've just been quietly deleted. Thank you for commenting __________________ stay out of dark allys...unless you're looking for a little fun

08-22-2008, 11:52 AM	#41
craxon Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 24 Reputation: 110	real is worrying - I certainly wouldn't want to see - but sometimes you just cannot be sure - most of the time its easy to guess - but some of them its real hard - I am glad the moderators err on the side of caution on this board - even if it annoy some people

08-25-2008, 07:04 AM	#42
carbaski Privileged Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 318 Reputation: 2694	Besides, if it was a real rape, then it probably wasn't erotic for most people who enjoy rape fantasies. And if it's not erotic, what's the point?

11-11-2008, 05:04 AM	#50
Ragman Privileged Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: an alley near you Posts: 2,226 Reputation: 5535	Nothing happens quietly on this board tnthong...nothing... __________________ "Aww He's just a silly, dirty little man. What's to be afraid of ?" 2

12-13-2008, 04:41 AM	#51
SugarT Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Aust. Posts: 139 Reputation: 2559	"it's shocking how many of the girls in porn have a past history of child sexual abuse, making them more susceptible to this)" That is spot on...I am into Japanese porn myself and I have heard very reliable reports that several porn shoots are set up with willing girls thinking its one on one sex, and they can say no to whatever or Whomever...but in fact they are rape movies planned and often gang/bukkake etc....the girls have agreed to shoot porn so nobody would listen/care if they cried rape. The directors feel its more realistic if the girls are not clued into what will happen! I read on a forum once of a Uni Teacher in japan that said two of his students were budding porn stars and had one movie out each...several months later he posted one quit as she was gang raped in her second movie shoot. many J porn stars commit suicide.

12-27-2008, 01:54 AM	#53
InnocentVirgin Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: USA via Europe Posts: 366 Reputation: 3911	Many thoughtful and thought provoking items here. I am going to chime in too. I don't subscribe to the notion that rape is all about power. Every real rapist has their own agenda. The notion that rape isn't sex just doesn't wash for me. It's sex all right.. Only for the rapist to be sure, but sex nonetheless. Now what fuels the rapist's sexual drive? A thousand answers. As individual as each of us are. Some are unfathomable. Sadists. Sociopaths. The difference in rape fantasy - be it a power play or not - you have consenting adults that take something away with the fantasy. That is .. if you roleplay it. I've not yet had too many of my fantasies come to fruition in really real life. In my fantasies - sometimes I enjoy the more violent aspects. Would I want someone to spit on me in role-play? Kick me? Draw blood? Nope. Would I want a gangbang for real? I'm thinking... nope. As for the really real filmed rapes... It's distasteful. Distressing. And perfectly horrible that people film such. But as noted before - how do you draw the line in determining which is real and fake real? Editing notwithstanding - there are some really fine actors out there. The realism in film nowadays - people just won't buy a cheesy substitute - won't see it. The line will become finer and finer until it's erased I think. But isn't it the person watching it? Because one doesn't want to exploit a possible real film and the horror involved - does that preclude being turned on by it? Maybe - If you tell yourself it is real - maybe that is enough to turn the switch - if you are ambiguous and don't really think about it - it will probably get you off. If I don't value or care that people really may have been raped and hurt in a film - what does that say about me specifically? I shudder at the thought. Our free market porn dictates that it will be available so long as there is a market. Obviously some people make no distinction between real and well acted farce and could care less. If it makes me uncomfortable, I quit watching.. anyway.

01-20-2009, 04:19 PM	#54
maddymonkey1 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Boston Posts: 4 Reputation: 311	My rapists filmed the rape, and I am so terrified that that video is out there somewhere being viewed. I know that I am somewhat naieve (sp) to think that it hasn't been viewed somewhere. They originally blackmailed me with the video, saying that if I told on them, they'd send the tape to my parents, husband, etc...

06-16-2009, 03:46 PM	#56
softcorelover Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 45 Reputation: 1729	I wasnâ€™t around when the thread in question was up Im not to sure what to think On the one hand I take exception to the removing of any rape related thread on a board such as this Seems to me the hole point of a forum like this is to cross the morall lines On the other hand when ever I hear someone on TV talking about a real rape the emotion it generates from me is hardly hormonal I have never seen anything that came close to making me think it was REAL And I donâ€™t think I want to

09-05-2009, 04:25 PM	#57
Kruniac Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4 Reputation: 105	I'm not trying to troll with this as my first post, but this thread really struck me -hard-. All I can say is this... Some of you folks can reject "realistic" rape, remove videos that -might- be questionable, and other such nonsense. I'm going to face what I am, what gets me off, and do the exact opposite. I mean, the entire point behind being into rape fantasy is -fantasizing- that you are involved in the mix. If you are a victim, great. The predator, fine. Don't watch some porn star give a half-assed wimper every five seconds and tell us it's as good as it gets. No, no, no. There are some demented, depraved, and awful videos out there. It's my job to find them, to jerk off to them, to let out a terrible rage for about fifteen seconds, then to get a little sleepy and shake my head at "How -awful- that video was." ...Then I literally laugh at my own humanistic irony. I can get off to it, but only when the urge hits. Any other time, its "...Oh how awful." At least I'm honest with myself. As long as those of you who object to "realistic" videos genuinely are against it, and not hopping on some "good guy rape fantasy blah blah boring blah" bandwagon, then hats off for your opinion.

09-13-2009, 09:19 AM	#58
Sternenlied Unknown Entity Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Niflheim Posts: 2,427 Reputation: 77819	1) Yes, there are some "demented, depraved, and awful" videos out there. Doesn't mean we have to allow them in here. 2) If you consider finding them your mission - fine with everyone around RB. Just not here. 3) I appreciate you being honest with yourself. I am being honest with myself as well. Apparently a quality you appreciate, too. So you should be able to appreciate the reason why such videos aren't to be found here. __________________ The Life and Death of Sam Crow - How the Sons of Anarchy lost their way

12-08-2009, 06:12 AM	#59
Skirt-fun Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 67 Reputation: 2897	Interesting topic! I have on a number of occasions downloaded videos from Limewire and on watching them thought they were very realistic and hought was it real or not? I take no pleasure in seeing a woman suffer in real life as I respect women. The old addage of if it were your mother/wife/sister etc always springs into my mind. Its a bit like with Japanese porn. I love it, but I have watched a number of videos from this genre and thought, she looks v young etc, once one that was set on a train and to this day Im not sure if what I watched was real or not. Removing it was the right thing to do IMO, if u want to have the freedom to watch stuff thats v close to the bone, or possibly real then check out limewire.

01-26-2010, 02:05 PM	#60
Chad Michael Michaels Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 14 Reputation: 1398	If someone has the video upped send me a pm with a link.