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Old 03-04-2018, 04:07 AM   #661
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It would be interesting to see how much more of a fuck the Irish government would give about the people living in the poorest districts of Belfast and Londonderry. I suspect it would prove to be no more of a fuck.

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It would be interesting to see how much more of a fuck the Irish government would give about the people living in the poorest districts of Belfast and Londonderry. I suspect it would prove to be no more of a fuck.
I agree. From partition time, governments in the south did little to alleviate the injustices of their Nationalist folk north of the border. Paying lip service occasionally wasn't enough shame on them.
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Why would they? It's not their problem.
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Persistent reports are still circulating that a deal to get Stormont up and running was very very close. Michelle O'Neil and Arlene Foster were reported to be exchanging e mails hammering out the details of the deal. Apparently there was to be some sort of concession being offered to Sinn Fein on the language issue, possibly in return for SF dropping their opposition to Foster returning as First Minister after the RHI debacle.

the hard liners in the DUP dug in their heels and scuttled the deal. Or so the rumor goes.
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The "evidence" is flimsy at best. An e-mail is supposed to have contained a copy of a draft deal that included a stand alone Irish Language Act. All that has been published though is the front page of the e-mail, not its contents.

All the same, the DUP have stated over and over that it is against any stand alone Irish Language Act. Any one can write a draft deal.
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Why would they? It's not their problem.
Of course it was. They aspired to a united Ireland and regarded the partitioned nationalists as Irish citizens and allowed them to have Irish passports, so the southern governments had a duty to stand up for them when their rights were further stripped away by the ruling Unionists in the north for 50 years after partition.
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A duty how? People living in the North didn’t pay taxes or vote in elections in the Republic.
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In the early years of the troubles, before the rise of the Provos, some hard line ministers in the Fianna Fail government of Jack Lynch were pushing to send the Irish army north of the border to protect the nationalist areas, particularly in Derry. Realistically, the Irish Defense forces were no match for the British Army, but had they clashed it may have forced the UN to become more involved.

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In Derry, three men arrested and later released for INLA activity. I had thought the INLA had gone out of business years ago.
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The United Kingdom has a veto on the UN security council. It would have been interesting to see what would happen. French troops on British soil perhaps? You have to remember that the UK is also a member of NATO, which Ireland never has been.

Certainly if Irish troops had intervened during the 70s/80s, the British public would have cheered the British army all the way to Dublin and beyond.

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Perhaps the INLA don’t like the officially down graded threat status?
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I had thought the INLA had gone out of business years ago.
I thought I read somewhere that the IRA bumped them all off during a feud?
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The Irish army would have been slaughtered. I don't think they had any tanks or much in the way of artillery or heavy armor. Probably no air cover either. Not a good way to try an invasion.
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I thought I read somewhere that the IRA bumped them all off during a feud?
They had an on again off again relationship with the provos. There were some feuds, but the INLA participates in the hunger strikes. I think two of the ten that died were INLA.

Their most notable achievement was the assassination of loyalist paramilitary boss Billy Wright inside Long Kesh.

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The Irish army would have been rounded up and put in a POW camp. Bobby Sands and his mates would have been green with jealousy!

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Details of a "direct rule" budget are finally being released. This includes 410million of the 1billion supply and confidence money being put in to mental health spending, education, and targeting "deprivation" in the six counties.

I can just here the supposedly pro-working class Sinn Fein rejecting this budget!
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Any idea where that location in Ireland is Tom, from about 0.51 to 0.58? Stunning scenery wherever it is.
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Tom's been at the Jamesons again!

Meanwhile, back in dear old Blighty, Arlene Foster has been critical of some Brexit opponents in a speech to the British Chambers of Commerce (a body that represents small and medium sized business in the UK) in London. Following two former priministers (Tony Blair and John Major) describing Brexit as a threat to the Good Friday Agreement, and a threat to peace in Northern Ireland, as well as various bods in the EU Commission claiming that only "regulatory alignment" can guarantee peace in the province, the ugly old troll has described such things as "an insult to the people of Northern Ireland who have worked so hard to bring peace".

She also described such people as having "limited knowledge of the troubles". Which really puts the boot in to Blair and Major, who were the leaders who oversaw the ceasefire process and eventual Belfast treaty!
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