[Night.Bane]

The noob chimes in:

In all the vids I've downloaded and/or seen (hundreds, to be sure) I've seen only two that made me think, "That might be real." One I believe was the subject of the deleted thread in question--middle eastern setting, etc. I happen to think that one was staged, for whatever that's worth. The other vid I'm pretty sure was real, it hit on a P2P download and I deleted it from my archive. It's clear from the premise of the site that the thread needed to be deleted. Kudos to that, for both moral and legal reasons.

I'm always amazed at how 'normal' most rape/force fetishists are; I have no interest in associating with guys who are 'real rapists.' That's not a fetish--that's misogyny. Or worse.

That said, there is a very weird juxtaposition of accepting 'force fantasies' and some of the video offerings (Slap Happy, for instance, some of those girls really take it on the chin) floating around out there on the 'net while climbing up high and taking a principled view about what constitutes 'real rape.' More than once, I've seen girls on some of those videos who I'm sure were being forced to perform against their will. The dude's saying, "Fifteen seconds more," and in the meantime he's just going to town, pressing, pressing, and pressing some more, seeing how far he can push her before she says no. Is it rape? That's actually the wrong question. The correct question: is it legal? These girls have a contract and, presumably, a safe word or some other 'out' they can use while performing. I don't want to get too specific, but there's an oral abuse video where the girl has a tiny stream of tears that starts about halfway through and it is more than clear that she is decidedly unhappy about what's happening. To me, that's almost rape--except that it's legal. Brandon Iron, the guy behind the Slap Happy videos, has said that some of the performers he got were very unhappy about the end result--but they all cashed their checks. It's legal, they provided ID, and they could (presumably) stop performing at any time. But if you know they need the money, and you can 'read them' and tell that they'll put up with whatever you do and not complain over much (it's shocking how many of the girls in porn have a past history of child sexual abuse, making them more susceptible to this), and you push push push push push, you get a result that really isn't all that different from rape--except that it's legal, it comports with 18 U.S.C. Section 2257, so nobody can go after you. Don't get me wrong, I've enjoyed some of those offerings immensely, I just find it slightly amusing that somehow it's ok to partake and enjoy a particularly brutal video where the subjects are clearly being exploited and are extremely uncomfortable with what they're doing so long as it meets the demands of 18 U.S.C. Section 2257, while drawing a distinction between other videos of foreign origin that may or may not be 'real,' where the girl is not being subject to anything close to the same kind of treatment, but the rigors of 18 U.S.C. Section 2257 are not met.

I'm not too conflicted about enjoying the one while rejecting the other, by the way. I've said before, the difference between a swimsuit model, a Playboy model, a porn star, and a prostitute is actually (in my view, at least) not really that big. They're all exploiting their own bodies, getting paid to perform. It's merely a question of how far they're willing to go. An eighteen year-old willing to suck cock on camera for $400 and get insulted is certainly working harder than another eighteen year-old modeling the slinkiest of bikinis (tweaking her nipples between shots so the all-important "nip shot" can be featured prominently), but they aren't that far removed from each other ethically. It's a moral construct that tells us one is better than the other; as a practical matter, both are playing to desires of the flesh.

Again, just to clarify--real rapists hate women and need to be rejected out of hand. Any video known to be real has to be discarded; any video that is substantially questionable should be thrown out as well. Videos that comport with accepted legal standards are perfectly acceptable (indeed, enjoyed, although some go too far even for my extravagant tastes). There's plenty of gray area in between...