Ghaddafi probably had the attitute that any enemy of Britain and America was a potential ally and friend to him. But isn't that the way of the world? The USA supported the Taliban when they were fighting the Soviets. It wasn't the first or last time we did things like that either.

It's tragic when a dog discovers it's master no longer loves him

I’m sure there are plenty of people in England that would gladly see the back of Northern Ireland and the whole fucking shenanigans if it also got us a clean break from Brussels. Unfortunately our political establishment are spineless, self-serving, and unashamedly pro-EU. They are more concerned with placating those who didn’t vote for Brexit, than delivering for those that did.

I'm very curious how Sinn Fein will react to the carrot dangled by London. I would pounce on the deal, recognizing the north as something other than an integral part of the Uk is huge for Sinn Fein.

What this does if any thing, is shifts Northern Ireland toward being part of a federal Europe, not part of the Republic of Ireland. It is a concession to the EU.

The latest from the Brexit debacle is that Ulster would have to stay in the single market and be subject to EU law in order to avoid a hard border in Ireland. Which has led to claims by Welsh and Scottish nationalists, and even some people in London that they could also remain in the single market.

So we have a two tier legal framework in the United Kingdom? The DUP have quite rightly stated they will block any deal that includes Northern Ireland staying subject to EU law.

The EU is not only attempting to impose its laws on the United Kingdom after we leave, it is threatening the very cohesion of the nation.

Reading news reports, it would seem that Theresa May was ready to sell the UK down the river for a trade deal, then a last minute phone call from Arlene put the kibosh on that!

The UK government is a disgrace, but unfortunately the alternative is worse.

So, Arlene Foster seems to be the defacto PM of the UK?

Supply and confidence does seem to give the DUP a disproportionate amount of influence. Which I don't currently have a problem with. Some one has to ensure that the wishes of the 17.4million majority that voted to leave the European Union are respected. Theresa May isn't doing that.

Ulster says no, as usual?

Some one had to put a stop to Theresa the Appeaser.

The United Kingdom government are now talking about nationwide "regularity alignment". That is not what the people that voted to leave the European Union want.

What exactly the fuck do the Conservatives and Labour think is going to happen when 17.4million people that voted to leave the EU are ignored, and what the political class settles for is actually worse than the shitty deal we want out of?

this is totally off topic, but it was sufficiently bizarre I thought Id post it. Being in the US, I use the Belfast Telegraph, among other sites, to keep current with events. Front page news today, a 64 year old Derry man arrested for lewd offences against public decency in a Chinese take out. Apparently he decided to have a wank in front of the waitress while he enjoyed his stir fry.

I hope he had the sense to eat his stir fry before he was lifted by the police.

I expect the take away had run out of special sauce.

Stir fried wank in plum sauce.

Talking of wank, Theresa May is still fucking this country over for no fathomable reason.

If I'm correctly reading through the confusing news reports, The Irish and British have reached an agreement that satisfies the EU, ie no hard border between The Irish Republic and Northern Ireland?

Other than she is an awkward cunt.

No. Nothing has been agreed regarding the border between the UK and Ireland, except that all sides have agreed their previously independently stated aim that there be no hard border between the Republic and Northern Ireland.

The EU will not allow an agreement between the UK and Ireland. It will be an agreement between the UK and the EU. The UK and Ireland had an agreement that predated both the EU and our membership of it, but it counts for nothing now.

Funny thing is, Bosnia Herzegovinia has a "customs waiver" arrangement which allows free movement of people and goods between there and Croatia. Obviously such an arrangement would not suit the EU when it comes to the UK.

An example of how far from normal things remain in the north. With all the serious issues with the border and brexit and the ongoing failure to restore power sharing the hot issue in county down is the name of a children's play park. The park was named years ago after Raymond McCreash, he was the third volunteer to die on the 1981 hunger strikes. The local unionists claim their kids can't play in a park named after an IRA terrorist. For the record mccresh was arrested during an assault on a British army observation post. But my point is that people this divided over events 30 years in the past doesn't bode well for the future.

I worked and partied with a lot of Irish guys and girls over the years. I always had the impression from their stories that Ireland will always be likely to descend into chaos while it is still partitioned, regardless of whether the partition is "hard" or "soft".

Naming a play park after a terrorist, what fucking genius dreamt that up? Next we’ll have the fucking Osama Bin Laden Memorial Creche being built in Tower Hamlets.

Cunts.

The problem is that only half the population see Mccresh as a terrorist. The other half consider him a martyr and a hero. My point was that with two groups with such radically different views of recent history, the chances of real change remains slim.

I understood your point, however I disagree that half the population see McCresh as a hero. I expect a good portion of Northern Irelands population during the troubles just wanted the paramilitaries to just go away and stop fucking up their communities.

That's probably why the Good Friday Agreement is a forever agreement, superceding Brexit It needs to be left alone and not meddled with by inept politicians who mostly seem to know nothing about any part of Ireland.

I wonder if a good portion of the population also wanted the British Army to fuck off back to England. :)

As to how much support, all the nationalist councillors voted for the name, even those from the Sadly Deluded Loser Party

What? Even the ones from Scotland, Wales, Nepal, India and, shock horror, Northern Ireland?

[QUOTE=FuckingRotter;1633010]What? Even the ones from Scotland, Wales, Nepal, India and, shock horror, Northern Ireland?[/QUOT

You forgot Kenya, up the Mau Mau!

Oh yes, Barack Obamas daddies mob.

[QUOTE=tom8517;1633024]Yeah, right up them!

Every time Kenya has an election, there is a bloodbath. Democracy and independence hasn't exactly done them any favours. That, and The Lads keep coming over the border and killing people for not being Muslims.

Oh, grants, you completely misquoted me, you useless twat.

Two leading members of patriotic movement Britain First have been arrested on charges of using threatening, intimidating and abusive language during a rally at a "peace wall" in Belfast earlier this year.

Peace walls are basically partitions to stop stupid Irish people from throwing stones and petrol bombs at each other in particularly culturally sensitive areas of the neat little town they call Belfast.

Not a surprise this happened in the Shankill,birds of a feather.

Ireland, Scotland and Wales are a huge drain on English tax payers, and personally I would gladly wave good bye to bad rubbish. However these Celtic ingrates tend toward unity with England. They obviously know which side their bread is buttered on.

It is terrible to have socialism imposed upon ones self by the likes of Gerry Adams, Tony Blair, Lord Kinnock, and Sir William Connolly.

By the way Tom, Scotlands 2nd most successful football team were handed a humiliating 4-0 defeat by a bunch of nobodies today!

Ah well, at least it wasn't the Rangers.

You mean Scotlands most successful football team?