This Is The Incident That Sent Max Hardcore To Prison
 

Max Hardcore Jailing Scene

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Quote: Max "Now you know what's going to happen to you?"
Jessie "What Mister?"
Max " You're gonna get ass raped!"
Jessie " Mister, don't ass rape me"
Max "Too late you little cunt, you should have thought about that before you came up here!,
even you aren't that stupid!"
Jessie ' I gotta Stop, Okay I Gotta Stop"
Max "Keep it going, come on "Keep it going!"

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:confused: :skull-bee :confused:

To be honest, i think he belongs in jail...

Seriously? Max is a national treasure! He's been bringing us quality porn for years. As a matter of fact, I think I'll start a "Free Max" fund to pay for a better lawyer for him. Just send your $1 to.... :skull-big

Thanks for the post Budgee. I didnt have that one.

Ha! The phrase Max Hardcore is a National treasure tickles me. :D

Thanks for the post Bugee had no idea he went to prison for this. That's kind of hilarious in a way. He must be living like a King there. Reps +

Thanks :)

thanks dude....:skull-bee

Newland11,

Alas, we must agree to disagree on this one. I too enjoy a great deal of what I’ve seen from Max Hardcore (Mr. Little). However, he often goes (went) over the line.

This seems to be an extreme example of those profit motivated actions. Jesse Jane was either the most believable actress ever to perform in any film and deserves an Academy Award, or she was in extreme emotional and physical distress. She has publicly stated that she will never work with Max again. A halt should have been called and the production stopped or reorganized within less believable guidelines. Max’s own extreme perversion or his desire for profit, undermined his common sense.

This film distressed me and genuinely upset me. Max went to jail for four years because of this film. Legally it has been judged and Max was convicted. Yet, this shows up on this board and exposes us to the scrutiny of many people that enjoy nothing more.

I would rather have this danger to our fantasies removed and get back to “Fantasy”.

With my genuine respect, but good friends must sometimes agree to disagree!

HRH

:skull-bee

HRH has hit it right on the head. The girl, no matter that she is a porn actor, says no,, dont.. stop. Max doesnt stop, what he does in fact do.. is actually rape her. This site isnt about real rape, and that is exactly what this movie is.. a real rape. It doesnt matter that it started out as a porn.. it stopped being porn the second she said no.

Most, if not all of us here have at one time or another claimed that we really respect women. So where is our respect for this this woman, who is a victim? And why celebrate Max, who is a rapist?

Max stepped over the line, maybe unknowingly. Maybe he really thought she was just faking the pain and distress. If so.. well, thats too bad for him. He should have checked, would have taken what... all of 30 seconds to find out if she was ok with what they were doing. But he didnt, he thought he was making a great vid and he was counting his money while he raped her ass.

Now he sits in prison, no doubt hopeing he never finds out what it's like to be ass raped. :skull-thr

And women never lie for their own gain or vindication to get men in trouble.

Consider this:

Rape or no rape ... assuming it simply was a staged porn movie, a decent rape fantasy movie ... taking young women, petite body, childish looks and dressing them up as girls to make a rape movie ...

What is this?

It's not merely a porn movie for adults who enjoy ravishment fantasy, it's catering to fantasies of child rape and paedophiles. Despicable and disgusting!

Maybe not for the reason he went to prison but he definitely belongs there.

Just to comment on that point. I've seen his work in the past and all of Max Hardcore's movies made me uncomfortable a little disgusted. I like fantasies, so it takes a lot to get me to admit that. I just finished watching the clip and I have to agree with some of the points you made. She may have been following the script, although it seems unlikely to me, but in any case this typical of his disgusting style.

I think people should judge for themselves, because it's a truly controversial piece. I'm not sure it's my cup-of-tea, but my main concern is for Max's inmates who he is undoubtedly raping mercilessly as we debate this.

(sorry to make a joke, but I was getting too serious there)

I agree with your point of "better safe than sorry." Alas, it's not my place to place judgment.

Just a couple thoughts on the Max Hardcore controversy and this thread:

First - I've seen the video but admit to skipping through most of it. Not a big Max fan myself. Most of his stuff seems very formula driven and holds little interest after the first minute or two. I know that his scenes get very intense/abusive but nothing compared to some bdsm material that's out there. Further, this looked pretty much like most of his other scenes so the actress must have had some idea what was going to be involved. I've also notice in some of his videos, they use hidden safe "signals" to break a scene or not (e.g. the actress is holding on to her heels). The fact the actress in this case said "I got to stop" may have been part of the scene as opposed to her wanting to stop. I've heard him use that expression "stay in the scene" in other videos to encourage an actress along. I can't judge. Only the actress can say whether or not she felt she was unable to stop. I don't believe she ever made an allegation as to rape or other criminal behavior. I would give good odds that if the federal prosecutors thought they could have nailed Max on a "rape" charge, they would have gone after that with red tooth and claw. Either way, it was not charges of "rape" or dressing an adult woman as a teen (which the Supreme Court has deemed not illegal) which resulted in a conviction.

Max was convicted on "distribution" of obscenity charges. The distribution occured over the internet and by mail. Can't confirm this but I believe it is the only obscenity conviction for a non-child porn case in the last 8 years. What is even more shocking about this case is that Max's company only produced the videos. Another company was responsible for distribution. Prosecutors in Tampa had postal inspectors order the videos through a third party distributors and not "Maxworld". They then went after Max saying he should have known that the distributor would be selling videos into a city that would deem the material as obscene using local community standards.

So let's think about this for a minute: First, Maxworld doesnt sell the videos to people in Tampa but he get's convicted for distribution. Second, the definition used to convict is based on "local community standards" as defined by 12 random jurors. So the justice system assembles 12 public citizens in a room and makes them watch these videos. Then each juror has to voice their opinion as to whether or not they felt it was "obscene"? Can you imagine any scenario there wouldnt be a conviction? (Even in a city like Tampa which has a thriving Adult Industry). And finally it should be mentioned that the videos were not sold for commercial display. They were only meant for people to enjoy them in the privacy of their own homes! So much for the gov't not intruding into our bedrooms.

Some people on the board link a "conviction" against Max to question whether the video should be available or if doing so puts the board at legal risk. They are missing the bigger point. EVERY video link posted on this board would likely be deemed "obscene" using the "community standards" method at least in Tampa and I would imagine quite a few jurisdictions beyond. Also EVERY person who has shared a download link could very well be deemed a "distributor" particularly given the very loose definition as applied to Maxworld. You may find the video in poor taste (I do) and loath Max as a person (I do), but we should all feel a chill at what happened to him. The procedures used were so ill defined and capricious, it could envelop just about anyone who enjoys adult entertainment - kinky or not.

You can read more about the case here:

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jun...in-obscenity-/

Totally not my thing. This is the first Max vid I ever watched and it just made me uncomfortable. I love rape fantasies but his seem more extreme then most. I just didn't find it sexy in the least.

they circumvented an appeal on the conviction by using local obscenity laws...this wolf in sheeps clothing is yet another attack on our constitutional rights (freedom of speech?)...one of the few things Geedubbya did well while in office. anyone think lil brother bushling JEB had anything to do with this?

the irony is it made this little crack whore famous.
i look for MAX to bounceback with his prison punks and shemales series :D


(oh and imho far from rape...we must be years too late for that)

Nice vid man. Thanks

I'm going to look at the clip but based on the text written up there, it sounds like Max really might have deserved to get what he did up there (and that's saying a lot coming from me). I admittedly did not know much about the case but felt that she might have exaggerated but now, I'm believing that she might have a legitimate case here. "I gotta stop" sounds not part of the script. It does indeed sound like rape.

And to the person who said up there that quoted her as "never going to work with Max again".

Are you kidding me? Why not just leave the industry altogether? This 'industry' is the least respectable out of any other industry you can think of. The whole industry is largely intended to please men. How does that even put women on a strong position?

Why doesn't she go back to school or find another job that gives her a better reputation and allows better usage of other skills, instead of cocksucking :rolleyes:

From what I have heard you can't easily compare max hardcore to the rest of the industry. I do not have a source to offer but in a story I heard he had a young and naive woman signing a contract for a scene in a porn movie but didn't bother mentioning she would be spit on and slapped at during the scene. This ended with her running away crying and max cursing how the bitch wasted his time. I would assume this kind of situations and the possible real forced deep throat scenes could be covered by water proof contract made by few lawyers so there might not be an actual "crime" present in any of these kind of cases...

I do not like his production myself and even if he would deserve to be locked up I still don't like how obscenity charges were used in his case since the start of this kind of procedure can have huge concequences on the long run. :skull-fro

If that's really true then i agree whit hes sentence. There is noting more detestable then not honest employer no matter what's the industry is. Not talking about personal rights and body harm...:skull-thr

Guys:

1) Per The Wikipedia, Max did not go to prison for "rape" or "sexual assault" of any kind.

2) Googling ["Jesse Jane" rape] did not bring up any obvious results indicating she had ever been raped. Her Wikipedia article does not mention rape.

Based on the above, I respectfully recommend that anyone posting further "OMG this is real rape" comments should include a link to something which supports their claim that this is real rape.

It would be impossible for me to endorse Max Hardcore more than I do.
He was the single best porn maker ever and I completely and totally approve of the way he treated the females in his vids.

From the wikipedia source you mentioned:

Prosecutions

Based on Max Extreme 4, the city of Los Angeles in 1998 charged him with child pornography and distribution of obscenity. The fact that the actress was over the age of 18 was not disputed; they brought charges based solely on the fact that the actress was portraying a character who was underage. Just before the case was brought to trial in 2002, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the statute prohibiting adults from portraying children in films and books was unconstitutional (See Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition). Based on this ruling, the child pornography charges against Little were dismissed. The misdemeanor charge of distribution of obscenity was retained, but the jury failed to reach a verdict. An additional obscenity charge was subsequently levied against him by L.A., again resulting in a hung jury. Little commented after the trial that, "It was a frivolous waste of public resources."

On October 5, 2005, while Little was in Barcelona, Spain to attend an international FICEB Erotic Expo, the offices of Max World Entertainment were raided by the FBI. Five video titles and the office's computer servers were seized, ostensibly for research toward a federal obscenity indictment or a charge related to the 2257 record-keeping law.

In the execution of the search warrant, one officer accidentally discharged their weapon into the floor of an upstairs office, as the housekeeper was being detained below. No one was injured.

In response to this action, Hardcore released the following statement:

"Once again, the government is wasting tax dollars and otherwise invaluable law enforcement resources to try to force a minority view of morality on all of America. Five of my movies have been targeted by the Federal Prude Patrol. There is no indication of any crime to be alleged except obscenity. If indicted, I will fight to protect my liberty, as well as the liberty of consenting adults to watch other adults engage in lawful, consensual, pleasurable sexual action. Shame on the Bush Department of Justice. I am proud of the movies I make and proud of those who buy and sell those movies."

In 2007 Paul F. Little and his company Max World Entertainment, Inc. were indicted by the United States Department of Justice Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section on 10 counts of federal obscenity charges relating to 5 movies showing fisting, urination and vomiting. Little was subsequently found guilty on all charges,and sentenced to 46 months in prison. Though the convictions have been appealed to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta, Georgia, Little began serving his sentence on January 29, 2009.

The jury ordered the internet domain MaxHardcore.com to be forfeited but declined to forfeit Little's house.

Paul F. Little is prisoner number 44902-112 at The Metropolitan Detention Center (MDC) in Los Angeles and due to be released 05-29-2012.

So for me something is smelly on this case.

Child pornography? How can they tell how old are the actresses if they play younger characters? Or is there some law in USA what forbids adults to play teenager in this type of movie? O.o

Being a member of a Rape Board and being disgusted by (acted) rape.....??!!
How weird can you get........??

There was question about whether the scene, or atleast the latter part of it, was acting or real. She did say:"I have to stop..." at one point.

It's a funny thing but watching acted rape turns me on like you wouldn't believe. Watching rape that appears to be real (and I won't comment on whether I think this scene is real or not...you can judge for yourself) just turns my stomach.

To clarify, we're part of a FANTASY rape forum, not a REAL rape forum.

That being said, I don't consider it weird at all.

P.S. Many thanks to LeParas for your exhaustive clarification of the events involved.

I am suprised that no one has mentioned that Felicity chick from way back. I cant remember her real name just her stage name, she made a doco/film about being a adult actress. There was apparently a bit in it where she was introduced to Max, and she walked up to him with her hand out meaning to shake his hand and he just pushed her over a chair and started fucking her apparently. It suprised the fuck out of her and scared her too and apparently she wasn't too into it, but max kept going. I think she even tried to stop an at least take a breather and max wanted to keep going, and at that point the camera man realised that he was basically taping a rape and pulled her out of there. Something like that, so he has done that shit before. Ill have to find the article i found cause they apparently cut that out of the doco. But fuck, I wanna see that movie, I been looking for it for years. Surprise fucks are one of my favs.

I think you are dead right !

:cool:

Dont forget no real rape here. ;)

yeah its not technically rape (again, just skims off the ) cause she sticks around kind of. :S i have found a different article by the guy who was filming it. but i dunno if ya allowed to link to outside sites

I don't care why he went to jail, he deserved it. Karma is a bitch.

As disturbing as some parts of the video are, to be honest it doesn't look any different than other "rape" movies out there. Sure, the girl says she can't go on, but she doesn't exactly look as though she's fighting to get him off of her. I'm pretty sure that, if a girl really didn't want it, she'd actually try to fight him off.

I am genuinely confused by the anti-Max sentiment in this thread.

Yeah, it is.

And when you condemn Max and ponder the nature of karma (with cum likely still running down your chest from fapping to videos of women feigning rape), please consider that there are lots of people in the world who would condemn you for your participation in this website.

I also haven't seen the film, but surely they would have a proper safe word they would agree on before hand?

Okay, enough is enough. This thread should have been moved to a discussion area long ago. The constant bumps are getting on my nerves.

The young “lady” in question came into a porn shoot strung out. Watch the video. Of this, there is no doubt. She immediately got in over her head (no pun intended) and tried to withdraw. For profit or perversion, Max pushed the scene to the max (pun intended).

I agree with some, it’s not rape. Max wasn’t convicted of rape. In my opinion, he was convicted for being arrogantly stupid . He dressed up a drugged out “porn star” to appear to be under aged and then proceeded to tell the world that he was going to “rape her ass”. From a pornography standpoint, I’m more liberal than most. Certainly, I am below the curve as far as any conventional community standards are concerned. But, I consider this production to be obscene and far below my standards of acceptability.

Max is where he should be.

With respect, this debate should be moved to a discussion area and out of the movie section,

HRH

:skull-bee

Fascinating discussion.
 

There isn't much left to be said, but I suppose I may be able to clarify a few minor points.

Most bondage or S&M shoots do employ safe words and safe actions. You can't really count on the dialogue such as it is to indicate is the actress does or doesn't want to continue. That said most professionals are very sensitive to even the possability that the actress may have forgotten the safe options and will halt taping to verify that the actress is ok if her acting is too credible.

Personally I disagree with the court ruling for the very same reasons that many of you here already have stated. I do not believe that you can or should legislate morality and that seems to be what they were doing.

On the subject of using the US mail for a carrier. You should note that the sting agents requested to have the DVDs sent to a PO Box. The US Postal Service is the only carrier service legally allowed to deliver to PO Boxes. The distributor erred in accepting a PO Box for a shipping address. The production company should have specified in its contract with the distributor that only alternate carriers would be used.

Our country's puritan roots are showing. Making laws to keep people from being exposed to undesired materials is reasonable (and yet I still receive spam in my snail mail box every week). Preventing other people from acquiring said materials if they desire to seems considerably less reasonable. To suggest that because my neighbor doesn't approve of it I am not allowed to purchase a certain movie(containing no illegal activity) or book is simply unacceptable.

It's Not Jesse Jane
 

Does anyone know which DVD this is from or have a positive ID on the female in this scene? Because it is not Jesse Jane. The woman does bear a resemblance, but even if she had some work done the tattoos do not match:

Notice that Jesse has a Playboy Bunny tattoo on her midriff while the girl in this scene has a tribal sun around her navel:
http://www.finepornstars.com/dp/jesseh/Xp3t2987.jpg

I have watched Max Hardcore for some time now and I am actually kinda shocked at this scene. He's been iffy a few times before, but it seems clear that the girl in this scene was in some very serious distress and I would really like to know who she is or where this came from to perhaps find the story behind it.

He was jailed for distribution and obscenity. It was as simple as him sending tapes though a distributor to a place they shouldnt have gone. They'd been after him for years and they found their loophole. I believe he basically sent his European edit movies to the wrong states that prohinbited that sort of thing. (They somehow tried him in Florida)

There are always people ready to take away your freedoms. Don't be yet another hypocrite that wacks off to drugged out european chicks geting pounded on a daily basis, then joins a lynchmob in order to simply make yourself feel better about your own odd compulsions. I love all the hypocrisy towards a man that's likely not much sicker than the person you see in the mirror everyday.

I see guys that wack-off to, upload, and download violent rape clips of foreign models that may or may not be doing consentual sex in the first place, only to criticize one of the better regulated adult indutsries in the world. It's pathetic really. Keep with the lynchmob and their won't be anything for you to wank to in the future.

Simply put, the government is hypocritical and if they enforce all their obscenity campaigns to the letter, then none of this material should exist. Including this site, and so much that everyone here enjoys.

I think this woman was raped about as much as Crystal Gail Mangum was by the Duke lacrosse team.

Max spelled backwards is Xam...
 

Great post man....:skull-bee
I agree with everything you said except for the part i underlined.Max was gross beyond words and i am a delicate flower.

Sorry H to bump this thread once again but there was so much said that was incorrect.To the People talking about real rape and oh that poor girl.Google is your friend.

Im not into Max because i don't like pee or creepy old men like Max but if all the parties are consenting adults then go for it.Max may be kinda sick but he was locked up for a bullshit crime.

Now don't you all feel better for knowing how i feel.:skull-tic:skull-win:skull-tic

((((((((So i just watched it to see what the Hub Bub was about.DAMN,that is one fucked up movie.))))))))