Murder / In-shadow Videos
 

Anyone else find these videos disturbing? It's not even about sex, or rape, most of the time it's just murder. :skull-con I'm not judging, I'm just curious as to why these videos are appealing. They seem to be very popular lately.

I dont understand your question. Murder videos, you mean, mainstream videos where a murder takes place?

In that case, Yes please.

Especially if the guy doing the killing is sexy.

he means the ones in the movie section . search for "inshadow" if you want to see what he's talking about .

doesn't really do anything for me one way or the other . i guess more or less indifferent to them . give me "kidnapklub" vids over them any day .

bah, its ok. I dont do the movies section. What happens in it?

mostly the female gets killed ... sometimes they have sex first , sometimes after ...

I voted no. Death really isn't my thing. I actually find it a little creepy, and when enjoying a movie.. a dead girl at the end can completley ruin the entire experiance for me.

Which is unfortunate because my favorite clip "forced entry" involves this fetish.. I always stop the movie before that part.

as a side note, i thought there was a motion a few weeks back to ban snuff like films... Did that ever go through?

Not really main-stream movies, I'm talking about the murder fetish videos. The guy basically walks in the room, strangles or stabs a woman and then the camera zooms in on the "dead" woman's face; end scene.

The way they zoom in to show her lifeless expression for like 30 seconds is disturbing IMO. Reminds of a show I was watching on a serial murderer who killed people and got off on watching them die.

Interesting to say the least. Once again, I'm not here to judge, just curious as to what others think about these types of videos. It's not a public poll or anything.

I agree, and that's an interesting point about the motion to ban these types of videos. Where did you hear that? Some of them are pretty realistic and graphic, I could see them being banned in certain countries.

i thought the inshadow ones had quite a bit of bondage in them and maybe some sex either before or after she was killed ?

mainly strangling i think chi , haven't seen many of them . not really my thing

Yes some of them do. I should have been more clear, I'm actually more referring to the ones that involve just murder.

There are some scenes more graphic than others. A couple scenes where the guy walks in stabs or shoots a woman.

in that case it's a total turn off .

Thanks for that, however, it would be alot better if the murderer showed his face. Its such a turn on to see the menacing face of the person doing it.

to each their own I guess< still does nothing for me, i like the emotion of a victim after the fact.. and of course.. there is no emotion from a dead girl.. i am searching the old posts to see if i can find the information on the snuff ban

I guess it's the power, control and dominance factor that turns you on, (maybe the same case for others too). Although, the last thing I expected was a woman to find these videos appealing. I guess it's hard to imagine fantasizing about murdering someone in my case, let alone fantasizing about being the victim.

I found the debate about snuff material.. but its a REALLY old thread.. i must have just seen it because someone bumped a really old thread.. My mistake...

So what were the rules, are films that include murder not allowed?

Yeah, these murder films do nothing for me unless I could see his face.

The best murder seen ever I saw was when this guy kicked another guy down and took a rope between his hands and got this satisfied, almost sexually satisfying look, and he said "this is the part I enjoy the most" and he strangled the guy. It was really hot.

you can check it out here..

http://www.rapeboard.com/showthread....ight=Snuff+ban


though.. it probably shouldn't be bumped...

it looks like GRM did a poll to see what people thought and "no snuff" Won the poll..even if only by a little bit... and only because the yes vote was split in two different options...

but since there hasn't been any action taken against the in the shadows movies.. I guess it was more unofficial

While rape and murder often go "hand in hand" in real life crimes, I've always separated them in my fantasy world of entertainment for lack of a better term.

I admittedly get off on most all 'typical' rape fantasies, but I am not into violent torture, and/or killing someone, especially a helpless victim. It completely turns me off..

If someone is killed/murdered whatever, you've taken everything from them, and 'getting off' on that is way different than just 'dominating' someone sexually, physically. I dunno, just my veiwpoint on it...

Not my thing for sure.. :skull-fro

I also voted 'no,distrubing', i really hate when i don't realize that its an inshadow type video, and i'm watching and its getting really good and then he fucking chokes her. I just sit there like 'what the fuck, why man? shes no good now'...anyway. I immediately lose interest if there's snuff in anyway. I don't think the old thread should be bumped either, i'm fine with the videos being there, but i do always appreciate some kind of a warning whenever one is posted.

And thank you for that, since these are the only ones of that genre that I keep. In those, I can always edit out the bloodier endings - don't really care for those as well. But hey, others seem to like it, right?

I don't care for the murder or asphyx parts, but the girls tend to be more attractive than in a lot of other movies, so I just skip the parts I don't like.

Yes, I can see how you may be confused with my veiw on it.. I'll be more clear.. Drop any reality statements or comparisons I made. :o

Even in pure fantasy, getting off on raping someone is perverted and typical for most all of us to accept in ourselves and our peers.

Enjoying, or fanticizing about death or murdering someone is taking things to a much higher level, and as you can see by many responses, not generally accepted..

That's all I was trying to say.. just my opinion..

No argument against you or your "views" either.. :) ;)


The simple answer I should have just stated is: No, I don't enjoy or find them appealing.. :skull-ali

dont linke this kind of movies ... doesnt turn me on or anything else

OK, I voted yes and it's not so much that the women were killed, but that they tend to struggle more than the usual russian rape movies. Most of the russian rape movies could easily be mistaken for consentual due to the lack of struggling. Also, the in shadow chicks are smoking hot. I personally could do without the final kill scene and the blood to me is a turn off. I don't download the movies where the girl is fully clothed and killed. What's the point if this is a rape fantasy board?

i've only watched one even to the point of choking her before i realized what it was, but it was an english-speaking video with decent acting and a smoking hot girl, which are pretty hard to find, so i was extremely dissapointed when i realized it was of the snuff variety.

as stated i always appreciate a warning, and i think most of the people who post it are pretty good about giving one (even if they just saying 'inshadow vids'). So i don't think we need any kind of mandatory warning.

Isn't that basically rape fantasy.The reason we are all here.Im not down with the blood but i do like the asphyxia.I like the fact that there are all kinds of movies to suit everyones taste.Banning fake snuff would make us hypocrites.
Just my opinion.Hope i did not come off like an @$$hole.

Ahh I gotcha, I actually thought you meant a country-wide ban. Kind of like the MFX 2 girls and one cup videos, (the creator of those videos was actually sent to jail!).

Hmm, I see a big difference. These are videos that sometimes only portray murder and the victim's lifless expression after they're murdered. It's just way too twisted for me.

It was in the U.S.

Looks like I was wrong, he made a plea bargain and got 3 years supervision. I heard somewhere else he was sent to prison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Girls_1_Cup



That is true, the difference between fantasy and reality is important. I just feel that fantasizing about violent murder is a little different. HOWEVER, once again, I'm not here to judge. Everyone has their own tastes/fetishes. :skull-bee

I guess I'm with the majority on this...FREAKY!

I don't like those types of movies.

But I guess some people do.

Not my thing either, but we need to respect and protect their right to enjoy this type of fantasy movie. Just like people who fantasize about rape or any other taboo subject, so long as it stays in the fantasy realm, all is good. As soon as we start judging their thoughts, we become a form of thought police, which is not good because who knows where that type of thinking will go in a society filled with conservative minded zealots who are bent on controlling other's thoughts.

yeah to each his own

A Word about Understanding
 

I'm not going to respond to anyone in particular about this subject but I will say that I enjoy extreme fantasies of a wide variety and flavor. A discussion very similar to this came up on another board I frequent {though I don't post there often anymore} and was actually a bit more shall we say, energized. I did step forward in that discussion and I am sharing what I posted there as it seems to have equal relevance here given the current discussion.

Folks if I may,

While I have been around for some time in the community I mostly lurk only seldom posting. However in this case I do feel the need to weigh in on the discussion at hand. In any group which creates itself as unique from a larger societal whole there is the ever present need among people to further segregate themselves into still smaller groups. So while members of this board would rally together {figuratively if not literally} against the greater restrictive mores of society which might brand all here as "sick and degenerated", they are still willing to morally justify {even if just subconsciously} their own fantasies while at the same time disparaging others {either by overt words or by their own inner unease}.

And why is this one may ask? Humans have sought to look into their own inner souls since we first rose from the primordial slime of our creation. Who are we? Why are we here? What is our purpose? In an ever increasing circle we gather and social norms are established which govern "proper" behavior from "deviant" behavior. Once these norms are set it becomes open season for those who adhere to "proper" behavior to set themselves above those who follow the "deviant" route. The question here shouldn't be is this fantasy correct and is that fantasy wrong because by definition all FANTASIES are correct {only when one seeks to act some out do we see problems}. It is only when one chooses to cross the line between fantasy and reality that any sort of judgment may be in order. Nearly every act on this board if done for REAL is a crime not just against the laws of man but a violation of the inalienable human rights which all people should {unfortunately not "do"} enjoy.

My personal fantasies are of all forms of chaos some which fit in very well with this board and some which don't. Would I ever want to really kill someone or have sex with their corpse? Absolutely not because it is a violation of the inalienable human rights which I mentioned above. Would I fantasize about it and role-play it out with a willing victim who was also into such fantasies? You bet, because the shared intimacy of such fantasies is simply another way for two {or more if that's what you like} consenting adults to express feelings for one another. And that's what it all comes down to. If the fantasy act involves two {or more} CONSENTING adults then it should be anything goes and more power to them.

I would never seek to judge or in any way malign a fantasy which someone has which I may not personally have any interest in. Face it there are a myriad of fantasy niches out in the world which people on this board have never heard of {nor would they probably want to}. Being a curious person by nature and fascinated with how people think and work both alone and in group dynamics I revel in discovering new things even if I myself would never participate. But just because I don't find something personally interesting doesn't mean I should judge it based on my own mores. This is why nations still struggle to understand each other let alone individuals, and until we as a species and we as individuals learn to be more tolerant of others our world will remain that much diminished.

In the final analysis I may have said a great deal here and I may have said nothing, a few musings from **********, take them for what they're worth. Play safe all.


Cheers all, the Stainless Steel Rat :skull-bee

Well if I can't be honest in life about this, I might as well be honest in Rape Board!

Heya guys, I'm one of those who actually get turned on by this morbid and yes, very disturbing fetish. I can understand why people are curious or are even judgmental about it. For a good long time, I've been trying to find out why I feel the way I do regarding the matter, in vain hopes of trying to 'cure' myself so to speak. In the end I just came to accept it as one of my querks.

I'm not into it because of the 'murder' so to speak, but the combination of rape, murder and necro sex as a whole. Sick? Tell me about it. Monster-wise I prefer the monster to swallow them whole after they've raped them, yep thats another thing about me.

But as Stainless has so efficiently pointed out its simply one of those things we the 'deviants' will have to accept about one another I suppose. I mean I don't get Anal Rape...the mysteries of the bunghole has eluded me I'm afraid. But I do understand people also dig that kind of thing. I'm not saying you guys are judgmental and on the whole I've failed to shed any further light regarding the matter. In the end though, my motto is, if its only in fantasy then its all good. :D

since i hadn't voted yet .... i just did picked "No, but I see why it may appeal to a lot of members"

for me it's not a turn on and it is a total turn off if it's just killing the girl and then strip and watch her . but i don't mind it in the vid if there is more to it . i like horror movies mostly , so why mind this ? but has to be more to it than killing her and then 5 or 10 minutes of her nude "lifeless" body on film .

I must say...its is so incredibly awesome to be a part of something that is so grotesque, yet still legal, and have people talking about your movie and how much of a taboo who it. I would love to be a part of something like that. Especially from my eyes...I have yet to see "2 girls/1 cup" but I have heard all I need to know to stay away from it. It's like the Holy Grail. You will never see it, but you will hear about it. How cool.