Isn't bestiality animal cruelty?

[ControlPhreak]

I'm trying to form my opinion on beastiality and figure who better to ask then the people themselves. Is this animal cruelty and can an animal consent. I honestly don't know but I'd like your honest opinions.

Given the nature of this post I'll state up front that I won't bite any flame bait. All I'd like are serious well thought out opinions.

Sincerely,
-CP

[ControlPhreak]

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[ego]

I never liked black & white. The world is grey. I believe that voting "yes" is as wrong as voting "no".
Because the answer can be both of them.
In some cases it can be a cruelty, in some others it can be an act of true love.
Some animals can consent, some others cant.And its not about species, its about the animal as a personality.
Do i find it disgusting,nasty,morbid or sick? Yes.
Would i forbid it (if able)? No.
Althought i dont understand what people find attractive on this, i will support their right on doing it.At least as long as the animal dont suffers.


And something funny: Once, a shepherd was asked about his habit, fucking his sheeps.He was asked if he was doing all the animals or only the female ones.His answer: "Only female ones.I am not a pervert!"

[ControlPhreak]

I think animals can be trained to "consent", but truly consent I'm not so sure. That's why I'm asking people who participate in it. I'm judgement free until I hear from them and I draw my own conclusions.

[k9slut]

Unless they're chained or imobilized, animals have ways to defend themselves if they don't like whats happening to them. Dogs growl and bite, goats kick, horses REALLY kick (so i'm told).

That sounds like defense to me should they not want to participate.

[ControlPhreak]

That's a good point. I suppose my question then becomes is it exploitative to use their biology (their built in need to procreate)? Animal homosexuality is fairly well documented and there's no procreation there...

Thanks for replying!

[clan_hunter]

Stick this question on a animal rights thread and you will get a totally different answer to one that concerns itself around beastiality.
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[ControlPhreak]

Stick this question on a animal rights thread and you will get a totally different answer to one that concerns itself around beastiality.
http://pages.prodigy.net/bestsmileys1/emoticons3/chatdog.gif

I know that's why I'm curious to hear this side for a change. A change for me anyway...

[clan_hunter]

I know that's why I'm curious to hear this side for a change. A change for me anyway...


Hell could you imagine the upset though by posting your exact same question/poll on a animal rights board....its almost worth thinking about doing for the response you poster would get..:skull-big

[Louise]

Dont get me started on animal rights NUTJOBS!
Did I mention...im a bio chemist PhD student?

(wrote and then deleted a whole essay here)

[clan_hunter]

Dont get me started on animal rights NUTJOBS!
Did I mention...im a bio chemist PhD student?

(wrote and then deleted a whole essay here)


I used to work for a evil:skull-evi pharma company, my question would be if there kid was dying and the only drug they could use to save them was first tested on animal's would they say "no, dont give that to my kid", bet you alot of them would not.

[tom8517]

Have to agree, testing, humanely performed, is a neccesity.

Also I'm a confirmed carnivore, and no problem with hunting or fishing, provided you eat what you kill.

Using animals for the circus and other "show business" applications is a gray area, there have been a number of fairly well documented cases of horrible abuse, particularly of marine mammals. The long term (years) suffering of an animal for profit is just wrong.

[Enigma]

Ok, I may be the only underclass member posting as of yet, but I've only just discovered the site but here's my 2 cents for what it's worth.

I'll take the approach that many people around the world do not take time to think about. If you believe in the Bible, then you probably know Genesis. In Genesis, God offers Adam all the animals of the world before Adam even suggests a mate in his own likeness. So there's that issue.

Cruelty? I don't think it would be. Many animals' areas are far bigger than our own and therefore a human member would more than likely be, how to say, insignificant. Now, that's male+animal bestiality. Female+animal bestiality seems like it would be consent because it's not like an animal is going to mount something they don't want to mate. Animals are complex, but not as complex as that.

But I agree with tom8517, long-term suffering of an animal for solely monetary purposes is cruelty. An example of this is dog-fighting. Those dogs are trained to fight until wrenched apart or the target is dead. That's cruelty if I ever heard it.

So there's another opinion, hope it feeds the knowledge. ^_^

[Enigma]

+rep ego

[sinister-slimster]

Sorry for bumping this but this shuts all of my non zoophile friends the fuck up when I say it.

How the fuck can it be abuse if there is no harm done to the animal, and are you honestly telling me a horse or a cow could not defend themselves?

That's bullshit, of course they can, they're not weak animals; so they could easily resist more so and aggressively than humans in some cases if they didn't want it.

Zoophilia and bestiality are 2 similar yet different things.

Bestiality can constitute as rape in a way, because there is no love, purely just for sexual needs and for the horny bastards to get off whether the animal wants it or not.

Zoophilia is where there is true love or a bond with the animal aswell as just for getting off and fulfilling JUST your sexual needs.

People often get the 2 mixed up.

[Sheba]

I had a thought about this just the other day.


In my book, it al comes down to the way the animal is treated outside the sexual relationship. Is it being fed, does it have a warm, clean, dry place to sleep, does it get as much excercise as it needs, is there a fenced yard it can go out in safely--free of broken glass or other dangers--does it get bathed regularly, and taken to the vet both for checkups and emergency care, does it get genuine affection from its owner--nonsexual? Y'know, just ordinary petting and brushing and cuddling? If the answer to the above is 'yes', then I doubt it can be called cruelty. (Unless the owner sodomises the poor beast while it's sleeping, or totures it during sex or suchlike.)