thank you all....but

[innocent]

i'm afraid i'm gonna make my exit from the board both as a mod and as a members. had lots of fun here and made some good friends.
its a shame but i cant remain on here while i am so against the age on the storyboard section being so young. i've been told that this isnt about to change. apparently the last female mod this board had left over the same issue. grm does that not tell you anything? i always believed this board was about respecting the opinions of others on here. i'm sad to find that isnt the case so i'm off too greener pastures. i do find it surprising that this is the only board i can find with such an archaic min age.
and no matter what i'm told i knows its not ALL down to admins decision. its also a certsin unwillingness to 'interfere' i can understand this to a certain extent but not when it comes to something as unnaceptable and controvesial as child porn.
i'll log in some time tonigh to catch up with a few folks before i go.
thanks

[Grm]

I'm very sorry you have come to this decision innocent, but I must be honest, if you want to tackle child porn then you should stay and weed out those pedophiles that sometimes venture onto this board. I understand as a mother, how strongly you feel on this, but one of the saddest facts is that if anyone really wants to protect their children, its not stories about teenagers on the internet where the most danger lies but in their own homes, nurseries and sunday schools. If standing up for authors freedom labels me a peodophile and archaic, then so be it. There are many stories that I personaly find sickening, so I don't read them. Ounce we start burning books, we become our own victims, words only hurt those that are insecure.
Innocent, thank you again for taking on the role of moderator here, its not easy allowing people to explore their dark side and not judging them, particularly for someone who has a young family, the contrast couldn't be more pronounced.
sad
Grm

[Rheostatic]

Very sorry to see you go, Innocent. I do understand your reasons, but...

Something I've noticed about myself since joining. I really don't check out the story section too much, or do much role play. I just like being with like-minded individuals and participating in conversation.

Some are funny, silly and random. But often the discussion becomes very philosophical. People raise ideas, others disagree, and discussion ensues. I personally love the fact that not everyone believes the exact same thing, even on this site. Of course the age issue has come to the forefront of debate lately, with some distinctly divided camps.

For me personally, I'm not interested in the under 14 aspect, but I'm also not adamant against it. Pictures of those under 18, yes, they are a form of abuse against a real person. But fictional accounts of the rape of a non-existant child do no direct personal harm.

The argument that has been raised is that by allowing stories of underage rape, we are encouraging it. This seems hypocritical to me, considering what is generally accepted. Is that to say that the stories of 18+ rapes encourage real life rapes? If so, I don't think any of us should be sleeping well at nights. On this point I agree with Koda, this site is an outlet and provides no motivation to go and "live out" these experiences. If threads describing how to properly stalk victims, or the best type of knockout drugs and duct tape to buy were made, it would be a different story. But time and again, members have come out against the real act of rape and have discouraged such activity.

I oppose with fervor the views and opinions of racists, but I will passionately defend the right for their voices to be heard. How else can I understand their motivations, so that I may start to reason with them and have them question themselves.

Silence breeds ignorance, and ignorance is dangerous. Believes are not changed by war and violence, but only through thought and discussion.


Which is why I think you are making a big mistake, Innocent. This issue is not about everyone sharing the same ideas. It’s quite the opposite. I think things would be boring and possibly dangerous if not for the voice of dissent. Having a mod that disagrees with policy makes everyone reflect on his/her reasons for dissent, and keeps discussion going. Perhaps by staying, even if not very comfortable with the issue, Innocent can have a positive influence on other board members, helping them appreciate what a delicate matter this is. With her departure, the voice is silent, the posts are lost to the archives, and sadly, the discussion dies.

Innocent, I trust you return if for nothing more than to read this post, and I hope it encourages your return. Otherwise your presence will be truly missed.

[Sodoman]

See above post; I agree completely. You should stay, despite your views, you could at least keep the discussion going and maybe someday the rule would change. I'm in favor of the 16 or older rule. Anything younger starts to border and eventually get into pedophilia and that's unacceptable to most all I think. Well if you do decide to go I will keep in contact with you and your presence and charm will be missed. (also the fact that we never role played ;) :D ). Oh just another thought; if you are saying that underage rape stories encourage the pedophiles then the legal age stories, pics, vids and everything else on all boards logically must encourage rape in general. I'm sure this is a point that is said by all who oppose these boards and want to shut all of them down. I don't personally feel that this material encourages the members because I don't think any of the reg members are that way, except in fantasy. However, I'm sure a true sicko logs on to any of the boards available from time to time, there's no way to know. Though I don't really think pedophiles are on any of these boards as that type of material is forbidden on any rape board that I know. As far as I know. I've heard there are places you can find such material and I don't know where nor do I care to know. I think it's disgusting. I for one would love to see you stay, I will miss you, and as Rheo said maybe you could be a voice for this issue and continue to discuss with members and maybe someday the rule will change. (Rheo is so much better with words than me! :D ) Maybe one of the other mods can police the story section so you don't have to be stressed about this issue. Just a suggestion. I hope you stay but if you don't I understand and I will still keep in contact. Cheers!

[innocent]

you have all given me a lot to think about. so i wil do that and think long and hard to be sure this is what is best. my main issue is not the fact that allowing it )in my opinion) encourages it.... its more of a feeling of revulsion for my self as a person for having to turn a blind eye to such posters when all i wanna do is hurl abuse at them and worse. that wouldnt be accetable as a member never mind a mod! i think it would affect my ability to moderate fairly which i have always tried my best to do....

[Rogue]

In that case I'm not saying my goodbyes until the fat lady sings. If that poster was Spaulding, and Koda does not post the stories, then you have no immediate problems to deal with. If we take one case at a time and the other mods help you out there could be nothing to turn a blind eye to for a while, which in the meantime you can use as an opportunity to try and turn things around like we all know you're capable of.

[Sodoman]

Hell, to save you the trouble of having to police the stories I'd do it for all parties concerned. I understand what you are saying about having to turn a blind eye but if this is the rules on the board then all you can do is make sure that the specific rules are not being broken until if and when the rule might be changed. It's not that I could turn a blind eye because I don't care but I don't take fictional stories too seriously as I don't read them anyways. Also it's possible that a member writing a story of a legal age rape is a pedophile and that's something I'm quite sure they woludn'd be so forthcoming about unless they were on a board that supported such disgusting stuff as that. I don't think this or any other forum that is similar to this would accept underage material. If you don't want to be a mod then I at least hope you would remain a member, you are quite fun to chat with. That's one of the biggest reasons I enjoy this board more than any other (except my Cleveland Browns forum) is the chat with so many intelligent and fun/witty people. You are right at the top of the list. You could continue to discuss this issue as a member and not have to venture into the story section at all. It sounds like I'm asking you to compromise your beliefs but in fact I'm not; as Rheo and Grm said you could continue to discuss the topic and we would stil have the fun and enjoyment of you as a member and friend. Well just food for thought. (I did say that Rheo and Grm are better with words than I am) ;)

[Grm]

Thank you sodoman, but it looks as tho innocent has made her decision, which I totally respect, even though I do not agree with her reasons. I'm sure we will all miss her, I was just getting to know her.

[somedude]

Moderating on a forum like this is an exercise in ignoring stuff you can't stand! If innocent no longer believes she can do that, then I respect her decision. Gonna miss her though! :(

[innocent]

i'm sorry i didnt get to speak to everyone i wanted to tonight. not enough time i'm afraid. if anyone wants to keep in touch dont pm as i may not access instead email me on innocentone@hotmail.co.uk
thanks to the people who made my time here so much fun.
hope to see some of you around....watch out for the bullwhip tho! :)

[4funonly]

Innocent, I too will miss chatting with you and reading your replies. While I do not reply very often as others might. I also agree with the others,(GRM & Rhea) that you you should not leave.
I feel very strongly about child porn. I am fully 100% against it. I am also against "real rape". However, as it was brought up, you can not and should not ban other people's right to free speech. This board is about fantasy not reality. So one would hope. If you were to put a stop to one's right to free speech, this board would not exist. You have the right to speak out against those things that you do not like. If you decide not to do so, than in a sense you are saying that it you are ok with it. Hence "turning a blind eye".
This board it here for members (who wish to participate) to have fun. Hence my screen name, "4funonly". The story section is there for everyone to enjoy is they so chose to. If something offends you, don't read it. I don't. For example, I dislike Classical music. I chose not to listen to it. Some members may enjoy it. Should I be allowed to ban it from the radio? Yes I know it's not the same thing but in a way it is. This called freedom of speech.
I am also a parent. I keep a very close eye on my kids. I have NO desire to play with them or any other children. I know the effects it has on a child first hand. I will kill the first person that even looks at them that way. Sorry, going off in a differnt direction.- As I said before in one of my few post. "Any person who is looking for real "prey" to rape (child or adult) needs to swallow a bullet!! I'll even buy one for them!!!
Please stay. Although I don't know you very well (or been here long), you have been fun to chat with and will be missed by all if you leave.

[Rogue]

Thank you Innocent, for livening up the place, and being a hot PPM.

You're one of a kind.

[Tanya]

ddd

[Sodoman]

What is the min age for stories here? 16?

i dont see how that is too young? In Australia the legal age for sex is 16, i dont see how that is young...

The min age for stories is 14 and Innocent didn't agree with the age.

[MarcEdeSade]

I lost interest in 14 year olds at about 19. hell, there aren't even many 16 year olds I'd bang anymore. geez. sick. I'm so friggin' sappy.

But arbitrary age isn't natural, and "sorry to say", but pedophilia is not "lusting after people below the legal age"

pedophilia is lusting after prepubescents.

If someone is 20 and hasn't undergone puberty, having sex with them may be legal, but it would be un-natural and pedophilia.

the rule isn't archaic, the definition of childhood is arbitrary.

and your revulsion is un-natural. Seek help in dealing with that issue.

GOD says puberty defines adulthood, and if you don't belive in god, substitute "nature" for the g-word.

Your suffering is caused by your unblinking acceptance of what you are told to belive, coupled with fears of your children engaging in activities they ma already be doing (what a modern age we live in, eh?)

and as I always close....

[Joanna]

I know this is an old thread and somewhat already solved.
but since there is no rowdy room to bring the issue up in here is as good a place as any .
even though this is a fetish board and aims to be tolerant to all comers.
no matter how gross some may find a particular fetish such as scat for instance.
isn't it okay to say some fetish is just plain unacceptable?

Like for instance there is a big difference between scat and other fetish to peadophilla most human snuff movies and all Animal snuff movies (general beastality is a grey area I guess)
But its the difference between willing and unwilling participants most here would say though they are into the main fetish here rape fetish they are totally against real rape because it involves truely unwilling participants (victims).
So can't the same be said of fetish ? that even a fetish board can have standards and be against fetishes that involve truely unwilling victims such as most snuff movies (animal and human) and with peadophillla were the victim is too young to even know what they want.?

[somedude]

Anything is fine on this board except child sex as far as sex stuff goes!

[Joanna]

Not to be impertinent, but what exactly would an animal snuff movie be?

Humans routinely kill animals, both for food and for sport, so how do you define an animal snuff movie?

There’s also a very tough analogy between snuff films and slasher picts. One is rare, hard to find and distasteful and sometimes the other should be. Come on now, Jason X?????
Animal snuff is like this.
WARNING DO NOT VIEW IF TOO DISTURBED BY CREULTY TO ANIMAL IMAGES AND FEEL YOU CANNOT HANDLE SEEING SUCH IMAGES EVEN FOR THE PURPOSE OF LEARNING.


http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloadsnew/cj_54748.wmv

That to me is a totally never to be accepted fetish.
Slasher pics? do you mean movies like friday the 13th or am I about to discover yet another fetish I have never heard of?

[Louise]

A slasher flick is as you assumed. Friday the 13th, etc. would be examples. Some recent ones have gotten very gory such as Hostel or the Saw series.

See now, the Saw series, particularly Saw3 have to be considered hollywoodised snuff...truly. People are collapsing in the cinemas over it...and for our hardened times, thats strong stuff. Frankly I laughed through most of it. But then thats just me. Ms Evil apparently. x

Good to see you back Squids btw! x

[Joanna]

I don't quite see the attraction.

I was thinking it was more something like this:

http://www.startribune.com/462/story/813803.html

You need to read to the end of the story for this one - apparently this isn't a first offense. Not good either.

A slasher flick is as you assumed. Friday the 13th, etc. would be examples. Some recent ones have gotten very gory such as Hostel or the Saw series.
well as bad as slasher pics are they can't really be compared since they are all acted rather than real.
omg I don't know wether to laugh or cry at that article.

and the law is an ass does hearing that the law is an ass make beastality people want to have sex with it? (lol no offence beastality people but that was just to easy joke fodder not to say it)